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"World class" prosecution can't even make up their mind on the charges after so long? It just shows that the tax payers' money are wasted on such a bunch of nincompoops.

And for ordering Gopalan Nair to report daily at 9am till 14th July, that is one whole month.

1) Is the state going to compensate Gopalan Nair for his time, accomodation, travel expenses during this entire period? Are there any safeguards to prevent the state and judiciary from abusing their powers to repeat this loop indefinitely? Is Gopalan Nair entitled to off days, Sundays, public holidays, MCs, etc.?

2) Is Gopalan Nair innocent until proven guilty, or had he already been deemed guilty without trial? Why all these hassles and burdens on Gopalan Nair instead of the prosecution if our rule of law belongs to the former?

3) Is the court a neutral party in deciding on the case between the prosecution and the accused? If it is, then why is it taking the side of the prosecution to penalize Gopalan Nair through such inconveniences?

Answers anyone? SPH? PAP? SPF?

Dear Nair,
I came aross your blog thru an email from a friend. Since then, I have been concern for your status in Singapore and have been updating your news thru SDP.

Am proud of you and Dr Chee's courage to fight for freedom and free speech. Our SG president and prime minister should be glad to have such courageous fighters like both of you. Singapore needs people like you. I felt a great sense of loss for Singapore when talents like Nair denounced his citizenship. But what can we do?

As for me, I have been living and working in the gulf. Have not been visiting my homeland for a quite a while. I do not intent to return nor have I have any future plans for my country. Why?... ... We are a treat to their political system... ...simply coz, we have a mind of our own.

This is a big loss for Singapore and its future generation. But honestly speaking, who cares? The govt is only interested in its people paying taxes and more taxes... ... till we die.

I hope you will be strong and take courage. Hopefully, everything will go well and as for your safety is concern, please do not return to Singapore ever again.

Are they able to charge an american citizen on that for insulting a judge? Being american he abides by the US laws doesn't he? And critising the judiciary is not against the law in US. Kangaroo Judge Beli....i mean the most honorable Judge Belinda Ang may be able to launch a personal libel suit if she so wishes but definitely not a criminal charge against Nair. The fact that the prosecution could not make up their mind shows they are desperate to charge Nair on any charges they can think of. They probably found out that the email to Belinda Ang is bogus and i don't believe the email to Lai Sui Chui still existed after all these years, all trails will have gone cold by now. They probably stick with the charge because Nair mentioned in his latest blog that he couldn't remember whether he send it or not back in 2006. Nair should get his future postings in his blog vetted by his lawyer before publishing them while the case is not settled yet. All the best to you Nair.

I believe this is the most critical issue in Singapore politics hence I am re-posting this in a more prominent position on this web site. The question is who will or can start this lawsuite? A question for lawyers.

Lee Kuan Yew should be prosecuted for TREASON against Singapore for subverting the Democractic system put in place by the British and used by Lee Kuan Yew to come to power. Lee should then have to suffer the consequences as set out by current law for treason in Singapore.

If the Attorney General of Singapore truly stood up for law he would act against Lee and his son who have turned Singapore into a dictatorship, the fact that the Attorney General does not prosecute Lee makes him guilty of not upholding the Democratic Constitution of Singapore.

Lee Kuan Yew subverted a functional democratic system with a strong opposition that actually could win an election if:

1) Gerrymandering of ridings and vote counting irregularities (as has been claimed by many sources) were not practiced by Lee and the People's Action Party.

2) The public was not threatened with withdrawal of financial support for their electoral riding as is done under the PAP's rule

3) Strong opposition leaders that made serious attempts to win a majority election for their party were not jailed and or bankrupted as Lee was not back in the 1950's when he came to power under the original British Parliamentary Democratic system.

4) The Singapore Media was not owned and controlled by the Singapore People's Action Party majority government - essentially making the main Singapore media a branch of the People's Action Party.

Any real democratic court in the world would rule that Lee Kuan Yew is a dictator that has demolished the original British Democratic system that was in place when he used it to attain power in 1959.

Singapore Elections Act states:

Undue influence
59. Every person who —

(a) directly or indirectly, by himself or by any other person on his behalf, makes use of or threatens to make use of any force, violence or restraint, or inflicts or threatens to inflict, by himself or by any other person, any temporal or spiritual injury, damage, harm or loss upon or against any person in order to induce or compel that person to vote or refrain from voting, or on account of that person having voted or refrained from voting at any election; or

(b) by abduction, duress or any fraudulent device or contrivance, impedes or prevents the free exercise of the franchise of any elector or voter, or thereby compels, induces or prevails upon any elector or voter either to vote or refrain from voting at any election, shall be guilty of the offence of undue influence.

Lee Kuan Yew and his Prime Minister Son Lee Hsien Loong are guilty of using Undue Influence in the Singapore Parliamentary Elections Act by threatening to withhold money to constituents who vote in an opposition politician and also by bankrupting and or imprisoning Singapore political leaders who make a serious attempt at winning a majority of seats from an election for members of Singapore's Parliament.

http://singapore-democracy.blogspot.com/

So ... the Gov made the lighting arrest but still cannot figure out the charges after 5 days of non-bailable detention and more than 2 weeks of investigation?

To me, this is just "further evidence" that the whole case was highly unusual.

Normally, police gathers evidence before they make an arrest. In this case, they are doing it the other way round: Arrest first, gather evidence later.

the government is making themselves look pretty bad at this point. In fact, the government is making Singaporeans look pretty bad as well. What I mean by this is that in order to save face for one or two people, the government will sacrifice the face of a nation... how shameful.

the government lost, it's over. as I've said earlier they could've simply deported GN and ban him from ever entering singapore again, but nope, they had to try and prove a point, and they did. the point they proved is that the face of a few matters more than the face of a nation. i thought in singapore nation comes before the individual???and with that mindset, every singaporean who is not breaking bread with the elite had better now realise that they will never be invited to the head dinner table.

regarding first world countries, perhaps only in singapore does the child's nursery rhyme change from "sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me" to an adult belief that "sticks and stones will break my bones and defamations and insults will jail and bankrupt you."

i'm glad dr. chee does not sue the reporters from straits times for using the media to allegedly smear him by making a medical diagnosis. do not fall into that trap. in my opinion "someone" wants dr. chee to bring up a lawsuit knowing dr. chee needs money so that they can then turn and question dr. chee's integrity and say "look, dr. chee makes a big stink about daddy junior suing and then dr. chee turns and does the same." in my opinion, dr. chee is on an entirely different and higher level than the status quo.

i met a 60 year old man, singaporean, the other day. he told me he went to california earlier this year. he said when he stepped off the plane, a heavy feeling was lifted. he said for the first time in all his life he knew what being free was. he also told me he will never read the straits times, or watch channel news asia or mediacorp news ever again. he said when he watches or reads local media, it is like being handcuffed. he said the only thing is that it is not his hands that are handcuffed, he said it is his mind and his heart that is handcuffed and in prison.

I believe that to the PAP Mr Gopolan Nair is a terrorist or represents a terrorist cause, thus their harsh treatment of him.

Similarly in Australia under the previous PM Howard, a doctor (wikipedia: Haneef) who was a relative of the London bombers was falsely accused based on flimsy evidence and hence the government's case against him collapsed.

However in Singapore's case, it would seem that dissent + criticism = terrorism.

I can never understand the US's role in Singapore. They are supposed to spread democracy around the world but conveniently closes their eyes to an island nation which serves as a navy base. Yet this island nation's arrogant government from time to time has insulted or belittled America and its citizens in the local "media". Maybe the USA's debt has made it far more pliable to dictatorships.

In court today, the prosecution took another U turn. Call it flip flopping if you like- First they charged me with sending an Email to Judge Belinda Ang, alleging that I insulted her. Second they charged me with sending an Email to Judge Lai Sui Chu more than 2 years ago alleging the same. Third they withdrew all charges and charged me under the Sedition Act of Singapore for what I had written on my blog of May 29, 2008. Fourth, they withdrew the Sedition charge and wanted to proceed on the earlier Email charges.

Today in court there was a further U Turn. Now they are no longer proceeding with the Email charge to Judge Belinda Ang or the Sedition charge and have instead charged me with having insulted Judge Belinda Ang on May 29, 2008


[b]I had not invited the Judge to read my blog and neither did I go to her court and insult her personally. I had merely written a blog post and nothing more[/b].

[b]We totally agree with You Mr Nair - we are dealing with totally senile silver service people![/b]

[b]Money can be had today or tomorrow but once a man loses his freedom, he loses everything. This has always been my belief which I will cherish till the end.

They claim that they still have not completed their investigation and therefore the need to interrogate me each day, and every day, until such time they finally decide that they have had enough. One would have thought that I had killed 20 people in cold blood! For Heavens sake, I only wrote a blog.

I do not know the purpose of this all but perhaps they had miscalculated my reaction. Perhaps they thought that I would buckle under at the first opportunity and grovel as other Singaporeans are expected to do.

Well, I am not guilty. I wrote a blog. I wrote what I saw. I was exercising free speech. Free speech is essential for good governance. If the Singaporean authorities are unwilling to accept this, it is time they did.[/b]

Supra Values - Walk Tall Mr Nair!

"After all they claim Singapore to be a first world country. With international banking trade and commerce. All of this requires free speech. The sooner they realize this the better.

I have to get some sleep now so as to report to Cantonment Police Station to be interrogated in the morning.

Good night"

[b]Give them Hell! They think they are talented - this is not talent this is WORLD CLASS stupidity and the whole world is laughing at us![/b]

[b]"I had not invited the Judge to read my blog and neither did I go to her court and insult her personally. I had merely written a blog post and nothing more."[/b]

C'mmon we are all adults and talented adults at that! If you do not like it just don't read it! Most Singaporeans do not like reading the PAP Times and we have stopped subscribbing to it -its utter rubbish, thats all!

[b]Lets be grown up about it! I guess as people get senile and power greedy they want the whole world to themselves even blogs- ha!ha! [/b] :evil:

[b]"I strongly believe it is the right of every free man to speak freely without fear or favor, without which he no longer is a man but a coward.

I do not know the purpose of this all but perhaps they had miscalculated my reaction. Perhaps they thought that I would buckle under at the first opportunity and grovel as other Singaporeans are expected to do. Well, I am not guilty."[/b]

[b]Mr Nair - Stand up! Stand up for Singapore! Well done Singaporean! We are no cowards to the tyrants who have no values as a human beings![/b]

They have "killed" so many citizens, instilled fear by using threats, defamations suits - no more of their nonsense and rubbish! :evil:

Go to Hell PAP! :evil:

The whole wide world must watch this lunatic govt and their antics !

They must boycott PAP govt if Singaporeans dare not! :evil:

"I am also grateful to the representatives of the US Embassy who have continued to maintain their presence in court. I understand the US State Department is being briefed daily on my situation."

"what the Singapore authorities are trying to say is this. Do not criticize the Singapore judiciary no matter what"-

Excuse me, they are not GODs! Also we, taxpayers pay their salaries so pls do not do the dance for the PAP or Emperors Lee!

Supra Rubbish!

Dear Mr Nair

This is the whole point:

"I have to get some sleep now so as to report to Cantonment Police Station to be interrogated in the morning.

Good night."

So that you and SDP and other opposition parties will be tired and silenced once and for all just like poor Singaporeans who do not have the guts or time or energy to even think for themselves what is right or wrong!

[b]This is typically the Regime PAP's tactics to silence the entire population! :evil[/b]:

[b]But you must fight them! You must carry on writing your Blog! It is a very very educational and informative blog for us all![/b] [b]You must defy them![/b]

Hot soup...

What else? :D

Don't waste Mr Nair's time. Time is precious.
Charges dropped! Charges Changes ! New Charges etc... All this drama makes people wonder about the credibility of the legal system in Singapore.
EEEEEKS

Economic sanctions are frequently retaliatory imposes base on the nature of fundamental freedoms. Especially, European Union and United States used to impose various sanctions after founding of solid evidences to shows thus particular country was deficiency of fundamental freedoms, poor media freedoms and human rights.

The United States is the most frequent user of international economic sanctions in the world. U.S. sanctions programs often involve broad prohibitions against trade and financial transactions between persons subject to U.S. jurisdiction and particular target states or their nationals. When implemented effectively, such programs can have a dramatic impact on the basic human rights of subsistence and security.

Sanctions imposed in the past, such as those imposed during WWII, the trade and financial sanctions against China, the Iran hostage sanctions, and the Iraqi sanctions, have been very effective means of achieving well-defined foreign policy objectives. Whether imposed for such broad policy reasons or in response to [b]specific human rights concerns[/b], sanctions usually, and perhaps inevitably, involve an immediate human cost within the target state. Short of abandoning sanctions as foreign policy tools.

I resigned from the Ministry of Defence's Military Security Department in October 1976 because, chiefly, I was impatient to become a full-time writer and secondly, because I was disillusioned with the secret information and reports that I was reading as a clerical officer in the Registry.
For the next few years after I left MSD, I tried to get journalistic work -- mainly from The Straits Times. But I didn't succeed as the pro-PAP Govt. paper rejected all my writings and contributions.
So I began on a long journey of undertaking a series of jobs of menial nature -- in order to earn my livelihood. Although I managed to support myself in these low-paying jobs, I wasn't happy -- as my creative and critical faculties were not allowed to express themselves in published works.
Until now, that is. With the present SDP website, I can henceforth express myself as openly and honestly as I can -- without fear of being rejected.
I'm a man of about 55, with a touch of anger in my laughter, but no triumph, no malignity. I'm a man who is always fighting against something, but who fights in the open and is not frightened. I'm a man who is generously angry -- in other words, a
21st-century democrat, a free intelligence, a type hated wth equal hatred by all the little lackeys which are now contending for our souls.
Expectedly, these lackeys of the PAP Government have been spying on me during the greater part of my life.(I would like to read their dossier on me one day! -- on what kind of man, citizen, human being and writer I really am.)
I know people would speculate about the extent of my links to our secret service, and some would even claim that I am in the service's employ. But there is nothing secretive about my background and my life. I am just an unsuccessful writer who happened to have joined and left MSD in the early years of my young adulthood.
My crucial experience is my continuing struggle to turn myself into a writer, one which has led through long periods of poverty, failure and humiliation.

Those who support the blogger,

Please take his place and his punishment, if you would.

If you love him so much, will you go to jail for him?

Will do you support a Singapore born foreigner who insults the government?

If your own government fails, you will suffer too.

Supporting your government is also a way to show democracy.

don't cast all the failures and unhappiness in your life with the government.

Blame it on FATE and LUCK.

First there were two emails that were sent, and now insulting the primadonas queen of hearts who wants to smell some PAP fart can't even fathom that a person can pretty much want to say whatever they want in his/her blog, and if that has been classified as an intent for libel or defamation..I think Ah Pek & his gang are really out of sequence this time.

Now coming back to what Bernard Chan had said..though it's hard pill to swallow, but in the case of Mr. Nair, I think it's very clear that Ah Pek is going to answer a heck of lot of questions this time around, and it's the dragging that makes one to loose focus and become so agitated, and that's what Ah Pek and his gang are teaming up against Mr. Nair and everyone that are standing up to him.

The only way for the system to collapse is to see if any PAP ball lickers can have any sort of remorse or giving up on the PAP regime, and in order for that to happen.. is to keep on telling the truth and never stop. The Malay and Indian along with majority Chinese MP's must sway away from the PAP ball lickers, and move on to a platform that true democracy must survive in Singapore, otherwise Ah Pek with his bleeding hearts is seeing off the hoardes of Singaporean that are leaving in an alarming rate.

Once again SDP is the only means to achieve democratic objectives, and Ah Pek is doing his very best to make sure his regime will be in Singapore for ever and ever, and by all means don't stop the reformation struggle to obtain true democracy in Singapore. Again, long live SDP.

Be careful, for the sake of the creditability of our judiciary, and our nation! Be wise and use your discretion.

It may be so that Gopalan has broken the law, in those ways you want to prosecute him for.

But the coincidence of these frantic but seemingly faltering attempts to get him, with the nature of his blog postings, is wont to fan suspicion over the independence of our judiciary.

His postings were a personal challenge to Lee Kuan Yew to sue him. So he implies that what he says about the recent court proceedings are true and he can prove this in a court of justice.

So, should Lee not sue, then (since suing has been his method of upholding government's integrity) might he not leave room for suspicion in the public's mind that he has no answer to Gopalan?

And instead of Lee's suing, we get this frenzy of arrest and detention by the state even before it was decided what Act he had infringed. Then, first this charge, then it was dropped, and replaced, etc. And, suddenly and coincidentially, what he did two years ago has become such a vital issue!

How is the public and the world to interpret all this?

We say it's so crucial to uphold the reputation of independence of our judiciary. So we say prosecuting Gopalan is precisely to protect the courts' reputation.

But then, is it wise to coincide so exactly this prosecuting of Gopalan with his personal affront of Lee Kuan Yew on his website?

Already, the independence of our judiciary has been suspected because our legal service is only another branch of government. And Lee has been quoted by none other than a former President to have said that "we control every branch of state administration. We will make him (Jeyaratnam, who had just won a by-election against the PAP) crawl and beg for mercy".

Now, in such a context of suspicion, is it wise of the attorney general's office to prosecute Gopalan immediately after his affront of Lee? Wouldn't people be likely to read it as Lee's deciding not to sue, but to make use of the juduciary to punish him instead? And wouldn't that undermine the public's perception regarding the independence of our judiciary?

We must bear in mind that the creditability of our judiciary must not only be a fact, but must be perceived to be so, in order to be effective.

So, let's not forget the larger picture of things, and risk losing a war in wanting to win battle!

Govt should drop charges against Nair.It is not that the whole country is going to collapse.Pap govt is very petty, cant accept criticism.They treat the judges like GOD.But if u read from right to left, the word is DOG.

here's the bottom line...
GN challenged lee kuan yew and lee kuan yew has not answered the call.

do not forget this.

you see, this is the news that is not being reported. charges they bring up, that's one thing. i care more about the one charge that is missing, an lky defamation suit. this is the news that a real journalist would ask and question. a real journalist would be asking lky, "you sued chee and others, GN calls you a dictator repeatedly and challenges you after you mentioned you would go after people in cyberspace if you knew who they were. however, you have not responded, why?"

There are inventing and fabricating the cases. The pap government is using this to stirr up the racial sentiments in Chinese Singaporeans in a dangerous attempts to win back their supports after the fiasco of Mas Selamat Great Escape. This is just like Lee Kuan Yew accusing Tang Liang Hong of being a Chinese chauvinist at the height of the very close contest in Cheng San.The pap government is playing with racist fire.

Sorry for using the swear word but seriously i can't help it.
Like in the first place, why the FUCK did they need to Lock him up for like 5 days, no bail, just for... BLOGGING???!

Shit Singapore!!

It become very apparent to any logical reader that GN has been framed.
Here's the reason.

1. They (PAP/Police) first charged GN for sending emails to Belinda. He was not allowed bail because they initally says he was a threat.
2. Was this true?? The charges keep getting changed. In a true police investigation, THE FOCUS IS ON THE ISSUE AND NOT ON THE PERSON.
3. The ISSUE is the emails and the threat to Belinda. If the emails that the police produce to show GN are true emails, the police should be investigating those. If they realised that GN did not send the emails, they should be further investigating the real person who sends the email. That is how a normal police investigation goes (I am probably watching too many episodes of CSI). They should try to catch the culprit of the emails... ie the ISSUE at hand.
4. The PERSON is GN. If they keep changing the ISSUE, then they are trying to pin the fault to a person. There are no real ISSUES. It's the PERSON that they are after, and trying to FRAME the PERSON. The ISSUES are just excuses!!!!

After reading the various news reports, and Gopalan's side of the story, it has become very obvious that the Singapore POLICE is trying to FRAME GN. The ISSUES keep changing, and they are not trying to investigate the real culprit of the ISSUES. They are just tring to PIN the PERSON!!!

Mr G Nair Sir

[b]You have the guts, the intelligence and you are indeed a righteous man- pls do not give up - fight these tyrants[/b].

They are so free, have all our monies and will get all their entire law ministers to work for them including the entire police force :evil:

[b]but you have God, and Singaporeans!

"Singaporeans are larger than PAP![/b]

I agree with the post by TK above (Tue, 17 Jun 2008 9:43 am).

The real offender is the person who sends insulting emails to the judge. It is possible to trace emails. If they dropped that charge against Nair, it means they know he did not send the email. If they do not proceed to name the person who sent that email, it means the sender is a PAP supporter.

Now, remember the offender is the person who sent that email. Why are they not charging the sender??? He's the one who committed the offence!

It took so long just to discipline 9 ikan bilis for the Mas Selamat Escape case
I thought there'was a 9.0 Ritcher Scale earthquake shakeup but.....big cover up

GNair's case just anyhow come up with charges as much as they like - [i[b]]"suka-suka one!"[/i][/b]

[b]What is wrong with this damn junta- can get lost or not?[/b] :evil:

[b]This is the w to Bag an Oscar next year!

PAP Junta can win![/b] :evil:

Anyway, Singaporeans love to complain, keep complaining... just keep complaining and hope things will change.

[b]Only a few do the work. Others just complain and keep voting for PAPaya govt.[/b]

[b]STINKAPOREANS DESERVE WHAT THEY GET!![/b] :evil:

[b]Another kangaroo court case. ;-) Wow good business must source out to Temasek Holdings - more defamation suits/monies. [/b] :evil:

[b]"It is ironical that each time the government behaves in such mind boggling logic that will defy even Humpty Dumpty himself" [/b]

This is our PAP Humpty Dumpty Govt!

[b]
If they can put us all in Jail house rock and let only their "kakis", RC & GRC Kings live in Singapore- they will achieve![/b] :evil:

If the blogger was so popular,why wasn't he elected in the past?

Why are some people so concerned over a Singapore born blogger who has migrated and blogs bad things about Singapore?

Well, some people are concerned and want to have some excitement to see some drama...

Like a Talent search show...

Isn't it right for a teacher to punish a kid for writing bad nonsense?

Why don't Gopalan Nair make a police report that someone steal his password to send out some emails and make them investigate also. Think it is an offence under the "mis-use of computor act"?

[quote=Anonymous]Why don't Gopalan Nair make a police report that someone steal his password to send out some emails and make them investigate also. Think it is an offence under the "mis-use of computor act"?[/quote]

anonymous, u r right!

the police and the pap gahmen owe the people an explanation!

the pap gahmen is treating the ppl like idiots and like shit, do whatever they want, according to their whims and fancies even when they r in the wrong.

wasting taxpayers' money feeding these low class ministers fat fat!!!

wait till the next election!

but i guess these pap ppl gonna change election rules again if we remain silent and let them manipulate us more.

say no to pap!!!!

Dorai gets to go overseas on business matters while for trial for a criminal offence and Nair is to report everyday...what a joke. World Class or what?

if anything, what GN is showing you right now is that it is ok to mass protest. if he single handedly is running circles around the government, why on earth should you fear them in masses.


furthermore, many are asking for WKS head regarding the sub-courts fiasco with the two prisoners following the mas selamat "story"... well, what has not made the local mainstream press (i believe) is this article from http://www.newindpress.com/NewsItems.asp?ID=IET20080604022325&Page=T&Title=Southern+News+-+Tamil+Nadu&Topic=0

Mystery shrouds Tamilian’s death in Singapore prison
Wednesday June 4 2008 12:44 IST
S Irshad Ahmed

THANJAVUR: The hapless parents of Katturaja (32) of Nemmeli North in Orathanadu taluk are crying foul over the “mysterious" death of their son in a Singapore prison.

According to sources, Katturaja, son of R Govindaraju, went to Singapore at the age of 21, through a travel agent on a tourist visa but overstayed there for 11 years as he could not get any job there.

Katturaja was arrested by Singapore police just three months ago on the charge of “overstay without valid permit in the country” and was lodged in prison.

An inmate of the prison, hailing from Movur village in Thanjavur district who rang up to Govindaraju, informed him of the shocking news that Katturaja died in prison on May 22. When Govindaraju contacted the Indian Embassy in Singapore, the officials also confirmed the information.

However, there was no proper communication sent to the parents either by the Singapore Government or the Indian Embassy in Singapore about the death of Katturaja, triggering suspicion.

“Despite having our proper postal address, the prison authorities have not bothered to keep us informed about his death. There has been no proper communication either by the prison authorities or the embassy. We came to learn about his death only through the call made by one of the inmates”, Govindaraju told this website's newspaper.

Govindaraju also expressed apprehension that his son might have been murdered in the prison. “My son, who spoke to me over phone three months ago, never complained of ill-health even once. So, it gives room for suspicion that he might have been murdered”, Govindaraju added.

Katturaja’s parents Govindaraju and Prabavathi, accompanied by his three sisters, Kalpana, Kalairani and Karpagam, who gave a representation to the district administration on Tuesday, demanded that arrangements be made for bringing his body to his native place to enable them to have a last glimpse on the body.

When contacted, Collector’s PA (General) D P Raju said Govindaraju’s representation would be sent to the government and steps would be taken to bring the body. (END)


Do you see how things work??? if this story is true and this guy died and people involved tried to keep it hush, mas selamat and this tamil's story raises questions again!!! this is why SINGAPOREANS MUST NOT "MOVE ON" AND DEMAND CREDIBLE ANSWERS WHILE HOLDING PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE!!!

nothing is reported (as far as I know) locally and citizens are kept in the dark. accountability does not mean the ability to count millions in salary. accountability means being responsible.

I hope Chia Ti Lik can insult the judicial system for this harrassment,..in court itself, with passion and vigour,.. while still being eloquent

Has anybody wondered, why is the legal system in this country such that charges can be repeatedly changed by the prosecution to suit their needs, but the defense is severely restricted and negative inferences may be drawn even from SILENCE?!

[quote]Has anybody wondered, why is the legal system in this country such that charges can be repeatedly changed by the prosecution to suit their needs, but the defense is severely restricted and negative inferences may be drawn even from SILENCE?![/quote]

The simple reason is because Singapore's judiciary is a hypocritical as Lee Kuan Yew. An accused is guilty until proven innocent, not the other way around like they always claim.

An analogy can be drawn from Gopalan Nair's case.

The prosecution is akin to a drunken brawler, throwing a bunch of darts at the dartboard hoping that one of them will eventually hits the bullseye.

It is a sad day for Singapore.

What is disturbing about this entire saga is the [b]timing[/b] of the alleged offense and charges.

What is the ruling party trying to distract me from?

I get the impression that the only agenda this political party (opposition) has is to embarassas the establishment. They should really be focusing on matters that really count !

Stinkaporeans deserve it!

Keep quiet some more-

"Higher ERP rates and new gantries from July 7!"

PAP Bastards will just keep collecting as much monies as they like !

If it was M'sia by now so much of protests or any other countries!

[b]Sinkaporeans defintely need people like the Chees, Ravis, Gopalan Nairs etc etc etc - otherwise Stinkaporeans will all end up in jail whilst the thugs are outside![/b]

Lee's court and their subservient judges w/o any 2 cts worth will just carry on and on with thier fiascos with no end as long as we all keep quiet!

Good Luck Stinkaporeans!

Wong,

If the likes of you are the sort of citizens LKY has created all these decades, then we are in a sorry state. Surely, some, at least, of the issues SDP has raised must "count" with those who have received even a minimal dose of political education.

A great thinker once said "I would rather be Socrates dissatisfied than to be a pig satisfied".

[b]Hey Wong what really counts is you are in the wrong website!

U should be in PAP dogs website questioning about yours and my monies that they have taken all these years![/b] :evil:

[b]Sucked big fat pay cheques, ERPs, GSTs countless defamations suits - you should hang yourself along with the Junta! As simple as that![/b]

[b]MAS Selamat can do a better job- w/o flip flops

Cheaper salary![/b]

And the PAP Junta thought citizens have forgotten about that episode! "Move On" - [b]Yah move on to 2011![/b]

Wait for 2011!! Your death is nearing!

[quote]I get the impression that the only agenda this political party (opposition) has is to embarassas the establishment. They should really be focusing on matters that really count ![/quote]

Interesting... like you, I get an impression too, that the establishment would had nothing to be embarrassed about if everything was done aboveboard with no skeletons in the closet.

The matters that really count are the existence of these hidden skeletons, if any. Surely the establishment wouldn't be bothered if there ain't any to be found. No? That is what really counts, isn't it?

Dear Wong,

There is one sure way for the government to avoid embarrassment: stop doing embarrassing things!

Normally, the police, by the penal code, distinguishes between "seizable" and "non-seizable offences. The latter, and only the latter, are those for which offenders can be arrested and detained.

The reasons are obvious. Only when the detention of suspected offenders is necessary to protect the public or other persons (say where "grievious hurt" to others is threatened in "assault" cases), or when the nature of the offence is serious and bail is no incentive not to escape (such as capital offences), would it be lawful, serving the interest of justice, to "seize" and detain the suspect.

Even then, the detention should not be such as to punish, for it is not imprisonment yet.

Now, was Gopalan's arrest and being held several days and nights justifiable by the spirit of the law, as indicated above?

Was he a threat to Judge Ang such as to need physically detaining him? And that he is not likely to escape is acknowledged in his subsequent release on bail. Was his detention then unlawful and unjust?

Worse, according to his own account of his treatment under detention, it was worse than imprisonment. 24 hours bright lights, cold concrete floor with only a mat, no blanket - only a plastic sheet and only after hs shivered and asked! All that contuously for some three days and nights, initially planned for five!

All this done by officers of the state in the name of the integrity and justness of the judiciary?

Meanwhile, they prepare for the next National Day frenzy at which all are to clench their fist and thumb their chest to pledge, even in song, to build a democratic soceity "based on justice and equality"?

[b][size=medium]Every year I feel so sorry for the the young children, practicisng till late nite and performing infront of these MONSTERS who take all our monies and sit and glee in comfort followed by a sumptious dinner at the Istana all at our expense!

Followed by a disastrously expensive fireworks where normal citizens are "fined" even arrested for watching at the ECP Bridges - such an irony!

All for the glory of the PAP Junta![/b][/size]

i am not going to NDP and i think SDP should hold there own ND celebration.

[quote]i am not going to NDP and i think SDP should hold there own ND celebration.[/quote]

Good idea, maybe SDP with RP can hold a dinner on NDP. If this is going to happen, please reserve 2 tickets for me and my wife.

Dear Mr Gopalan Nair

We hope you have not given up the strength of fighting these "devils" in disguise!

We are all behind you in strength and hope! Do not give up your good values and guts!

You are brought up well and an intelligent person!

Do not let these power greedy rulers reduce you to thier level!

Stand up tall! Good Luck!

[quote=Uncle Ver SG].....
I can never understand the US's role in Singapore. They are supposed to spread democracy around the world but conveniently closes their eyes to an island nation which serves as a navy base. Yet this island nation's arrogant government from time to time has insulted or belittled America and its citizens ....[/quote]

It's simple. Consider 2 points :

a) Look at the colour of Mr Nair's skin; compare to Michael Fay's white skin.

b) Bush will step down after this current 2nd term of presidency, so even if he pleases the US public he cannot continue to a 3rd term. So why bother to step into this issue ?

Mr Nair is already very lucky to have 2 US diplomats to attend his hearing. Don't expect US President Bush to take any interest since he is stepping down soon.

Gopalan -- dun believe Singaporeans -- we are all the same -- we talk talk talk --ask you and CSJ to fight fight fight and do nothing when you and CSJ get into trouble.

Even in the New Testament, Jesus was snet to save the people and they crucified Him ;what happenned to the multitude who was fed by him on 2 loaves and 5 fishes?? What happenned to teh ROCK on which the church was to be built?? They all denied him; they were not there to support him.

So learn your lesson my friend - dun trust these people who asks you and CSJ to go fight an unbeatable foe; dream the impossible dream!!1

There has been pleas for contributions - how many have responded ' given to the defence fund ; givent o help yopu pay Lik's legal bills; your hotel bills ???

You people out there - if you are for real, lets start show support by making donation to SDFP, CSJ and Gopalan Nair !!!

If you like a book you pay ; like to see amovie you pay; you all like to read their blogs and see how Gopalan and CSJ fight LKY and LHL -- isn't it fair that we also start tpo support by paying -- I have asked my friend to make a donation tomorrow on my behalf and u who profess to be real supporters send cash or cheque into the accounts -- one for CSJ/SDP == the other for Gopalan Nair ;

Only so can we really show these guys we support them -- this will distinguish PAP supporters from SDP supporters within the forum right???

Lets do what the PAP taught us -- lets start paying for service -- world class service given by CSJ and GN right; If you are in agreement start paying -- 10 / 20 /50 100 --anything will do la.

[b] sow what u reaps. [/b]

I believe many Singaporeans will come back to this land after PAP is out!! :silly:

[size=medium][color=blue][b]Does Singapore Need and Expensive Law Minister?[/b][/color][/size]

[b]What Singapore needs is a rational, sensible, balanced, Finance Minister!! A Finance Minister who knows how to optimise his balance sheet base on sound and balanced principles - ie have a good ROI.eg:

For all the waste of taxpayer's time, resources,money and energy spent on a JI Mas Selamat's escape - all monies/expenses accrued to be deducted from Minister Wong Kan Seng's salary/bonuses tabled under 'Salaries/bonuses paid to top talented civil servants!'

To deduct from relevant ministries who did not 'perform' and made trips to slumberland whilst mismanagement took place eg: Ministry of Health for their lack of supervision over SARs and NKF; regulators who were suspicious, but did not follow through with their responsibility robustly, even if it had caused unpleasantness and unhappiness!

Temasek Holdings - for their lack of entreprenuial talented acumen, causing the loss of millions of public invested stake/monies???


Pls get busy Mr Finance Minister.[/b]

[b]Our message to the government is simple: you cannot have your cake and eat it too. You cannot claim to be a hands-on government of strong leadership and disclaim command responsibility when it matters.

Our message to the national press today is similar: you cannot keep your monopoly on the minds of Singaporeans and insult their intelligence at the same time. [/b]

[b][size=medium]Regards to Mr Nair

Hope he is in the best of health?

We would like to hear from him!

Hope nothing has happened to him? Pls keep us informed unlike 'Mas Selamat' case

Thank you SDP[/b][/size]