In the recent defamation suit hearing to assess damages, Mr Lee Kuan Yew testified in court that the President of the International Bar Association (IBA) had written to the Law Society of Singapore praising the judiciary here.
This letter was apparently written following the organisation's annual conference held in Singapore in September last year.
The following is what Mr Lee said in court:
"Your honour, the International Bar Association decided to honour Singapore and hold its annual conference in this city and you [Dr Chee] were given an opportunity to present your case, with your complaint that Singapore lack the rule of law. There were some 3000 lawyers there.
I think they left Singapore with a very different impression from what you have projected because we have a letter from the President of the International Bar Association to the organisers, namely the Law Society of Singapore, how successful the meeting was and how impressed they were by the standards they found to obtain in the judiciary - " (see here also)
But the IBA has confirmed to the SDP that there was no such letter. According to the IBA its president did not write such a letter. The Law Society of Singapore has also denied that it has received any such letter from the IBA.
An IBA official said: "If there is another source of this letter, we do not know about it."
Mr Lee gave this evidence in the witness box during cross-examination by Dr Chee Soon Juan on 27 May 08.
The SDP will seek legal advice on this latest development.
In a related matter, Mr Lee's press secretary wrote to the Wall Street Journal stating that Dr Chee had called Singapore leaders "murderers, robbers, child molesters" and "rapists" in open court.
Dr Chee clearly said no such thing and has written to the newspaper challenging the Minister Mentor to produce the records showing that he (Dr Chee) did. (See here).
He was testifying under oath. Therefore, this surely amounts to perjury.
Please notify the presiding judge Blenda Ang to pass down the punishment as soon as possible. :-)
Thu 03 Jul 2008 8:56 AM
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Jen
Eew... that's a very very bad picture of Lee.. cant stand looking at it
he looked fugly and very senile
Thu 03 Jul 2008 9:11 AM
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AnnA - Go For It
I suggest you go for it, sir. The evidence is already there. No need to wait. Play no nonsense with them. Show them that they are not as cunning as they thought! Tell them that MANY Singaporean (60's generation onwards) are educated but no thanks to their education system which are depriving Singaporean children from having more choices to lead their own life. The time has come for RETRIBUTION!!
Let's Stand Up For Singapore!
I'd say, GO FOR IT Mr Chee!!!
Thu 03 Jul 2008 10:19 AM
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Anonymous
Lie Kuan Yew
Thu 03 Jul 2008 10:36 AM
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Danny
There a movie called Lord of the Ring part 3: Return of the King and a character named Smittle. Now correct me if I am wrong.LKY looks like the father of that animated character in his picture. I can't help but [color=maroon][b][size=x-large]HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA[/size][/b][/color]
Thu 03 Jul 2008 10:59 AM
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Anonymous
Maybe he did
- not from the International BAR Association but from the International BADMINTON Association (IBA) praising the judiciary for its stance on foreign imports, not finding them guilty of freeloading and of lacking in morality
after these very talented FTs abused Singapore's resources to go travel the world to play in tournaments big and small
(which explains their impossibly high world rankings, having played more than exponents from resource-poor countries the likes of DPRK could ever do, for instance),
win prize monies which they pocket, masuk dalam themselves (while still drawing shamelessly high allowances vis-a-vis top-ranking PRC and world counterparts)
before they would finally give up Singapore citizenships to comfortably retire in the old country from where they came with the 'loot' from their years in Singapore.
Or was it the International BOXING Association (IBA)? The International BAR Association (for Intoxicated), International Bartendars/Barmaids Association (IBA)…? Oh, International BRAGGARTS Association, perhaps???
"Oh dear, my mind is really failing me... Choo, where are you? Come get me, come save me, quick, I'm on the verge of breakdown, Choo, why did you leave me behind... I wet my PJs, Singaporeans are all baying for my blood... H-E-L-P!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Thu 03 Jul 2008 12:49 PM
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Paul - Spread the news
After I have posted this, I will be sending the link to this website to everyone in my email address book. I hope all readers will do the same. If we do not get the news out ourselves, the PAP-controlled media will just put a different spin on it, that is if they will publish it at all.
This is getting more and more interesting every day. I cannot wait to see what else will come out of the woodwork.
Someone said elsewhere on this website that we should go easy on the MM since he is elderly. Ordinary elderly folk are wise in their hoary age and stay out of things they no longer feel competent of handling. This old man is so conceited that he thinks he has the mental capability to go on and on until he drops. It is a pity that he did not retire completely from politics when he was at the top. Now we cringe at his senior moments. They are an embarassment to Singapore. A wise man knows when to call time. What a shame this geriatric does not.
Thu 03 Jul 2008 1:47 PM
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mike Chan - Where's the said letter of praise from IBA?
The very fact that LKY nor his counsel produced a copy of that letter from IBA there and then in Court to back up LKY's declaration should have raised suspicions.In fact it was Judge B Ang's duty to askenxRm to see it expeditiously to confirm there was such a letter (and shove it to Dr Chee's face.) before moving on.
Thu 03 Jul 2008 2:37 PM
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Truth - Liar Liar, now who is the Liar
Wow, this really look bad for the old man. He likes to call everyone else Liars, but now it is clear who the Liar is. However, the judge would probably not do anything about it.
Thu 03 Jul 2008 4:28 PM
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they are in Power! - want the big fat pay
[size=medium][color=red][b]Emperor Lees and their inuendoes, their false accusations will never ever end!
Face the fact that they are in Power!
They want the big fat pay and they want their positions and will do anything to defend it!
The entire they are in Power!
for them even against their conscience if they ever have one![/b][/color][/size]
Thu 03 Jul 2008 4:31 PM
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STINKAPOREANS DESERVE IT - THE RULING PARTY IS PAP JUNTA
[size=small][color=purple][b]Even if they can produced a copy of that letter from IBA and accuse Dr Chee a Liar and arrest him and sue which is their ultimate aim-so what?
REMEMBER - THE RULING PARTY IS PAP JUNTA
NOT CHEE OR YOU OR ME!
STINKAPOREANS ASK FOR THIS FOR VOTING THEM IN!![/b][/color][/size]
Thu 03 Jul 2008 4:39 PM
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Lapdog media - It was a mistake lah.
"It was an honest mistake. What to do, it's happened. I am sorry that it did. It was a lapse."
I can almost hear it. SDP should quickly get the IBA to put their denial down in writing. Or else, when pressured by the Leegime through threats of lawsuit, even the IBA will change their tune.
Just as some of the Int'l media agencies.
Play it smart, SDP. Get it down in black and white first.
Thu 03 Jul 2008 5:14 PM
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Mike - Picking up small things for nothing
Enough is enough..
What is said in court is to the best knowledge of the plaintiff..
No use for CSJ to nickpick small things.
It doesn't matter.
What matters is the amount to be paid for damages.
If you did not defame in the first place, then nothing will happen to you and your pockets need not be emptied.
Thu 03 Jul 2008 5:22 PM
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no one is indespensable lah! - Give them back their dose of medicine
[size=medium][color=blue][b]It is ok to say that LKY is no longer relevant as he has lead us from a reasonable society to the present money and cost driven country.
We should retrench him and many of the others to cut cost!
After the demise of ah meng at the singapore zoological gardens, there was a search for another animal - so no one is indespensable lah!
Give them back their dose of medicine see if they can take it![/b][/color][/size]
Thu 03 Jul 2008 5:23 PM
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KARMIC LAWS - NO ESCAPE
[b]I believe in Karma and it's getting back to them both. Like NKF Durai has his karma come upon himself soon for cheating poor peopl's money![/b]
Thu 03 Jul 2008 5:25 PM
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The whole world laughing. - Are Singapore citizens still relevant ?
[size=large][color=maroon][b]Minister mentor for PM-The whole world laughing.
Want us to work till 80 but by 40+ have difficult securing job.
The question should be asked - "Are the Singapore citizens still relevant to the Government?.[/b][/color][/size]
Thu 03 Jul 2008 5:27 PM
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Quote Ngiam - World Class Performance
[b]Quote from Ngiam"
As S'pore govt aspire for World Class lifestyles, we need to remember that they have to deliver World Class Performance, no mistakes about it!"[/b]
Thu 03 Jul 2008 5:29 PM
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President with Executive Power - voted by the People doing?
[size=medium][color=red][b]BTW what is the President with Executive Powers voted by the People doing?
Here is a govt spending and wasting taxpayer's monies and time on suing and arresting people?
What is he doing??[/b][/color][/size]
Thu 03 Jul 2008 5:30 PM
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Larry
Dr Chee and those who attend the court must have heard wrongly. LKY may not have referred to International Bar Association but rather refer to "Independent Belinda Ang" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As for the meaning of independent, well, it is the same meaning as Independent Committee of Inquiry for Selamt.
So don't anyhow wrong LKY.
Thu 03 Jul 2008 5:34 PM
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Larry
Dr Chee should record the telephone conversation between him and IBA as evidence so place on the internet so that the LKY wouldn't bribe IBA with millions of dollars like he did to his pappies.
Thu 03 Jul 2008 5:48 PM
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NEED MORE OPPOSITION - Political Tsunami Coming Soon to a Singapore
[b]This is what the 66% of the rest of the people who has put their trust in this kind of leadership deserves (ha!ha!).
I am not one of the 66% of those people.Hopefully,Singaporeans should think carefully before voting!
NEED MORE OPPOSITION........Political Tsunami Coming Soon to a Singapore Theatre Near You!!!!.......[/b]
Thu 03 Jul 2008 6:10 PM
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jack - What integrity, LKY?
So what integrity has LKY? he doesn't deserve any damages. He should be made to pay costs.
Thu 03 Jul 2008 6:19 PM
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Anonymous
Probably another case in point of LKY's asking some underling about how successful that legal conference was, and the latter daring not to do otherwise than to tell him what he liked to hear (never tell the emperor he has no clothes).
Something vague (because not truthful)the underling must have told, which the aged Lee interpreted by habit to be a congratulatory letter!
Thu 03 Jul 2008 6:21 PM
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The SS
Dr. Chee,
You should show the world this evidence and for once prove yourself beyond doubt.
:) :) :)
Thu 03 Jul 2008 7:06 PM
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Thinktok
Ha Ha It is interesting! You mean to tell me SDP esp Dr Chee's preoccupation is to go after Mr Lee. You are demeaning yourselves and wasting your time. Mr Lee's stature represents a life time of work. One or two missteps if there are any is quite normal and should not affect his overall stature.
Mr Lee should be smiling to himself as you all are wasting your time, concentrating on trivials.
Thu 03 Jul 2008 7:18 PM
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raja - SUE HIM LAH
Dr Chee,
Sue him lah if u have proof. let him taste his own medicine. bring him to court & teka him with yr question again. make him busy running up & down court so that he have no chance to waste taxpayer money by going to visit other country giving useless talk. let the whole world know about his shit.
Thu 03 Jul 2008 7:21 PM
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Low Fak Yew - This is very serious !
If IBA did not write this letter to praise sinkapore's judiciary, and if someone says it did, then what would the informed people make this of ?
Judiciary of a country is to adminster JUSTICE.
This is a very serious issue.
LKY has to clarify this statement if IBA has said otherwise.
Thu 03 Jul 2008 7:27 PM
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Anonymous
Think, don't "thinktok"!
How does one "demean" oneself by pointing out a fault, even if it is only some person's "one or two missteps"?
But the "misstep" is that of someone who, on account of Chee's purported one or two mistakes, has been branding him "cheat and liar" over the last decade or so!
And that "misstep" amounts to "lying under oath" at a court hearing wherein the Chees were sent to jail for "contempt of court"!
Thu 03 Jul 2008 7:31 PM|
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DC - No Prizes There
no prizes that this won't get published in the MSM at all.
Thu 03 Jul 2008 7:48 PM
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Jen
ehh seriously, that picture of Lee at the top of the page is very very disturbing to the eyes... its like some sickly satanic old man's face..
wah lao eh, damn fugly lor~ can removE?
Thu 03 Jul 2008 8:06 PM
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LKY - Sue me la! - Go for it
In the past, kangaroo court are used to silence critic, the same court can be use against him, it may not be a fair fight but having him on the stand, show to the world what kind of person he is and what kind of justice system we have, that alone is worth the trouble, you may loose, you most likely will, every losses on your side, is a another nail in LKY's coffin, he is digging his own grave but too high and mighty, blinded with the 300B reserve to see it. If you consider yourself as the father of SG but Singaporean can't wait for you to die Mr Lee, something is very very wrong with what you did to the people.
Thu 03 Jul 2008 8:11 PM
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Ted
Yes I totally agree with you Jen. The old man is very very ugly, disgusting!!!!!!! But please don't remove him because he like to be seen right? That's why he's not retiring.
And yes this is a very serious matter. Of course I'm totally not surprise that the old man would lie, but getting caught lying especially at a court under oath!!! Time to expose he once and for all!!!!!!!!!
Thu 03 Jul 2008 8:12 PM
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Uncle Ver Sg
Liar Liar pants on fire. Who is the charlatan now?
Thu 03 Jul 2008 8:44 PM
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betray - Time for another bonus
Mdm Yeong, your boss MM Lee needed help here, time to spin another story for the Press.
Thu 03 Jul 2008 9:20 PM
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NiceSow - re: voted by the People doing?
[quote=President with Executive Power][size=medium][color=red][b]BTW what is the President with Executive Powers voted by the People doing?
Here is a govt spending and wasting taxpayer's monies and time on suing and arresting people?
What is he doing??[/b][/color][/size][/quote]
You mean the President that was elected by THREE people .... the ones who decided who the eligible candidates would be.
By eliminating the all the candidates except one, they had effectively elected the President.
The 3-people president doing nothing is indeed a total waste of taxpayer's money.
Thu 03 Jul 2008 9:22 PM|
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Jonny Jason
IF INDEED WHAT SDP SAID ITS TRUTH, ITS AMOUNT TO LYING UNDER OATH! SUE LKY, JUST AS HE SUED YOU. IF NOT, YOUR INTERGRITY WILL BE AT DOUBT.
IF INDEED MM'S SEC SAID THOSE THINGS WHICH YOU SAID IS NOT TRUE, SUE HER. IF NOT, YOUR INTEGRITY WILL BE AT DOUBT.
AGAIN, PLEASE REMEMBER. SINGAPOREAN ARE NOT STUPID!
Thu 03 Jul 2008 9:25 PM
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siao people
People, People.
SDP have not produced any evidence that there was no such letter. It is still SDP's words against LKY's words. I would rather wait for SDP to show concrete evidence, which I don't think they have, before getting too excited. At this point in time, I still think the old man is more belivable.
Thu 03 Jul 2008 9:53 PM
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tunkudon
SUE them . he them their own medicine . make it big and let the whole world knw.
Thu 03 Jul 2008 10:22 PM
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siao people
tunkudon
Sue them? You think SDP got any evidence meh?
If SDP really sue and even if they lose, I'll have some repect for them.
Is just another case of talk only. Like most people here, can talk so much, when come to vote, you think who they vote?
Thu 03 Jul 2008 10:31 PM
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Anonymous
Mdm Yeong (in reply to AWSJ) qoute:
Having lost, Dr. Chee in open court then called the Singapore leaders "murderers, robbers, child molesters" and "rapists."
siao people: At this point in time, I still think the old man is more belivable.
Dear siao,
I'm amazed that you're still giving SO MUCH benefit of doubt to MM Lee.
Unless Mdm Yeong drafted and sent out the above reply to AWSJ without MM Lee approval/vetting?
With the a/m case, you can judged the credibility of those people surrounding MM Lee, if you won't want to judge the old man on this whole "character assassination" saga.
Thu 03 Jul 2008 10:40 PM
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Anonymous
[quote]We should retrench him and many of the others to cut cost![/quote]
RETRENCH HIM??? But there's retrenchment benefits to be paid in such a scenario!!! And he'll, while still in office (or daughter-in-law), write out a check for himself for $43 billion - one billion for very year of 'service to his nation' since 1959 he will surely say!
RETRENCH HIM? NO WAY, JOSE!!!
Besides, it is to Singapore and Singaporeans he and clan and cronies owe hundreds of billions to, money they've stashed away everywhere there's a bank, postal savings, building loans society - who knows if the current ongoing sub-prime crisis wasn't started by them pulling the rug (their trillions) from underneath the Citis, the Barclays, the Merrill LYNCH-ED (by them), etc, for their fast-track retirement (and seeing their share price, asset value value collapse, go back in to buy and own a big chunk of each and every of these biggies)???
RETRENCH HIM??? Too cheap, too easy a way out for them, don't you think? Unless they already have mastered the technology to fly out to Mars and live on the red planet for ever and ever, we mustn't let these slimy things slid and disappear into the earth, out of our view forever!
GIVE 'EM A NUREMBERG - but don't hang them just yet. make their clan's younger generations slaves to work for humanity!
For eternity.
Thu 03 Jul 2008 10:50 PM
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tohjohn
My God!
The old man is not only senile. He is having hallucinations or delusional state of mind! Anyways thinking that people are perpetually praising him!
It's him who's mad. Not Dr Chee. Not people who have voted against PAP. It's him LKY himself!
We are govern by a madman! Just like Roman Emperor Nero, England's King George the eight, Idi Amin...
Thu 03 Jul 2008 11:55 PM
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Singa Crew
Oh yeah, I will also forever remember that PAP supporters and propagandists think perjury is 'trivial'.
Crew
Fri 04 Jul 2008 12:15 AM
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Roland Soh - Mr.
What utter rubbish is spewing out of the old man these days?
Just last week he was laughing at farmers who water their crop during the day. According to his senile faculty, it should be done after sunset when evaporation is less severe. Farmers in Chua Choo Kang will tell you that if they don't water their veges during the day, these plants will wilt and die!
His other theory is that by giving foreigners more jobs, Singaporeans will benefit in the process. This is like saying that by giving away our monies, it will generate more monies for us. I am quite sure, he would'ny do this with his own monies.
Someday, I would not be surprise if he exhort all Singaporeans not to drink water during the day when one is most thirsty. Drink after the sun has set, he would said, so that we will not waste previous water, which will be evaporated through perspiration during the day!
Meanwhile, he is troting the globe with Singaporean's money, pretending to be an investment guru!
Fri 04 Jul 2008 12:28 AM
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Anonymous
Only considered perjury for their opponents, otherwise it's an honest mistake.
Although I do agree somewhat with the earlier posters about getting concrete evidence first (black and white or recordings). Don't deny the possibility of IBA coming up with a public statement refuting what they said in private to SDP.
If this happens, it's going to look quiet bad on SDP. Learn from your mistakes, guys. Remember what happened during the cross-examination regarding Transparency Intl where CSJ could only quote a private dinner conversation to support his case?
Fri 04 Jul 2008 1:26 AM
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Anonymous
"Anonymous" : But the Law Society said they did not receive that letter.
So, they must also be coerced to deny that, and to fake the letter (for they would need to produce that when challenged)?
Fri 04 Jul 2008 1:42 AM
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Paul Poh
Lee Kuan Yew, can you step down now?
I feel disgraced to have you as a leader of Singapore.
You bring shame to Singapore.
Please step down.
I despise you.
Fri 04 Jul 2008 1:45 AM
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Anonymous
Get the prove and move on to redress yourself!
We support you!!!
Fri 04 Jul 2008 3:14 AM
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one more singh - the Chees-Lees side of things
LKY should be stepping down soon..
so, who will be the next MM?
GCT? WKS?
LHL stepping down in two terms' time? Who to replace him? Certainly not his sons, I hope! God bless their souls..
BUT, people, BUT, when CSJ and our sweet sweet busty CSC step down, WHO to replace them? Think about it!
Which youngster is so bold nowadays? Dare to step into the public and fight for democracy, rather than, like u and me, only dare to hide behind our screens and voice our views?
God-damn lah, this generation of CSJ vs LKY is going to be over in 10 years, max..
Let us move forward and start to think of how to attract the right talent, (not another busty CSC, please, wait nose-bleed)!
Fri 04 Jul 2008 4:22 AM
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Kenny Goh
"What is said in court is to the best knowledge of the plaintiff.. "
So when Chia Thye Poh was accused of being a communist, was that also attributed "to the best knowledge of the plaintiff"?
Fri 04 Jul 2008 5:02 AM
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truth - LKY caught lying again
This senile old man in forcing himself onto Singaporeans has managed to destroy alot of his image and reputations. He is caught lying again.
Fri 04 Jul 2008 5:49 AM
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Carlson
How pathetic, MM Lee. Shame on you. Thanks for exposing his lie. Thanks internet for allowing us to see the full picture not just bias story via government mouthpiece.
Fri 04 Jul 2008 6:40 AM
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AK - Interesting side-track
I might be side-tracking, but does anyone think that the current picture of LKY looks similar to the picture of Smeagol aka Gollum from Lord of the Ring. Just do a Google "Images" of Smeagol and judge for yourself.
Another reason why the old man should retire, before everyone is put off by his true appearance.
Fri 04 Jul 2008 7:10 AM
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puipui
I hope this old garbage goes to a different dimension as soon as possible. stop wasting our time and destroying our country. it is going to be ruin soon.
Jia you dr chee and my ex teacher miss chee!
Fri 04 Jul 2008 7:50 AM
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Jen
could see that more and more new guests are commenting on this site.
Words are really spreading like wild fire!
Congrats SDP! One day, you shall overcome..
and i predict, that's not for long.
Hang on now people, and never give up!
Fri 04 Jul 2008 9:12 AM
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Paul - Cannot be clearer
I just cannot see how it can be an honest mistake. His statement could not have been any clearer. Yes, he claimed he did receive a letter from the IBA commending the high standards of the Singapore judiciary. The 2 paragraphs of the quote supports this in various ways. No, according to normal English usage, it cannot be misinterpreted. Perhaps there is an alternative PAP English dictionary and grammar whose meanings and rules we know nothing about.
Incidentally, nothing has been heard of Judge B.ang in recent days. Has she hopped off to the zoo to join her favourite mate, Hoppy the Kangaroo?
Fri 04 Jul 2008 10:23 AM
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SG Francis Seow
[size=large]Hm, perhaps he wasn't wrong after all[/size]
- let's not be too quick to judge the old-getting senile-turning-demented thing and accuse him of lying although he has made a habit of it ever since Choo-choo planted in him the seed of thought to become Singapore's PM (at whatever costs) -
[size=medium]because I recall, as President of the Law Society, having received one such letter...[/size]
[size=x-large][size=x-large]But THAT WAS 1985!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/size][/size]
Fri 04 Jul 2008 10:38 AM
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Devan Nair
[quote]The 3-people president doing nothing is indeed a total waste of taxpayer's money.[/quote]
That Nathan boy sure has it lucky, making millions doing nothing and most damning of all, occupying my rightful - my take-home pay is really toilet paper compared to what this Mama is getting
Hope he goes to temple every day to give thanks with those millions- or he won't know what to do with it, really?
How do I know?
Heehee, he was my junior back in Victoria School, a most dimwitted Mama boy, son of a Mama Shop mama.
And he used to run my errands getting cigarettes and samsoo for me (from his dad's hole-in-the-wall lah), and would always hover around (like houseflies waiting to zoom in on excrement) just so he thought we could give him a puff, that Dumbynathan.
Damned lucky SOB too - he would've gone on to take over his dad's Mama Shop too (and not be where he is today) had we not paid for his fees for the HSC!
Hm, the wifey must be spending his millions instead - not surprised if on pretty young boys fresh from India.
Fri 04 Jul 2008 2:22 PM
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atticus finch - LKY - man with no morals
What do you expect from a man with no morals and who still insists on drawing millions of dollars in salary? LKY, his son, his familee, his pappy eunuchs should all be strung up and shot. Come on Singaporeans, let's do the Bastille on this corrupt regime. If the Gurkhas can start to voice discontent, then I'm sure all you civil servants, teachers, soldiers and policemen out there can also wake up from your dream and face reality like the rest of us.
Fri 04 Jul 2008 5:20 PM|
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Refuse to Retire
Yup, the old man is refusing to retire and hanging on to every stand of power. He knows that he cannot be FIRED even if his job performance is down the drain. He cannnot be RETRENCED because he controls GIC and all the financial resources. He cannot be REPLACED. He refused to DIE.
Fri 04 Jul 2008 7:05 PM
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Anonymous
If the same claim was made by the Chees, and subsequently found to be untrue, one can imagine how it will be blockbuster news in the local media.
Sure to be front page news with big captions and including transcripts from the court proceeding.
But now ........ SILENCE
Fri 04 Jul 2008 7:15 PM
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Anonymous
Can you show us the correspondence between SDP and the IBA? Or is it that you had a verbal communication with them? Please don't give empty talk.
Sat 05 Jul 2008 2:07 AM
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Worried Sick
[quote]Anonymous - Fri, 04 Jul 2008 7:15 pm
Can you show us the correspondence between SDP and the IBA? Or is it that you had a verbal communication with them? Please don't give empty talk. [/quote]
Bit of truth in what this comment-maker said.
I trust too what Juan said to be true. But what one fears - many fear - is that the Establishment is now on the quiet scrambling to do some damage control from this fallout.
Will you be played out, betrayed somehow when crunch time comes and some people suddenly produces The Letter???
I mean, we know of so many
- too many to count -
instances where post-event, people with 'means' have tried to
- and succeeded in many cases -
CHANGE THE COURSE OF HIS(S)TORY.
Many people with no scruples came to power that way. So don't be surprised or shocked that these same despots can do and will do anything just so to cling on to their power and dear life.
Hope at least Juan did make a (secret) recording somehow of any such verbal confirmations by IBA and/or Law Society.
Sat 05 Jul 2008 3:44 AM
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Anonymous
LKY should be the one to show us the letter praising his Govt for organizing the event.
LKY started it first by saying there was such letter. Dr Chee has now said there is no such letter. LKY should now show thepublic there is such letter.
There ball is now squarely in LKY's court.
Where is this letter of praise from IBA?
SHOW US!!!
Sat 05 Jul 2008 11:42 AM
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Anonymous - Via SingPost - Good to spread word; as for methods...
[quote]Man In The Mirror - SDP Propaganda Stickers. Fri, 04 Jul 2008 10:23 pm
To SDP :
Distributing flyers is just one form of getting your message across, but they oftenly get thrown away or are misplaced after some time.
I believe we need a more lasting form of communication that stays around longer. I suggest you print and distribute propaganda stickers : [/quote]
By all means, do whatever to get our message across, but please do the unthinkable, i.e. go round pasting annoying, hard-to-remove stickers on Singaporeans' property (gates, gas meters, etc) a la desperate no-brain locksmiths
or leaving flyers on these properties whose owners may be away and an accumulation of these lyers (like property agents' ads, Pizza Huts, Canadian Pizza, home delivery tinkat companies, etc) would only attract unwarranted attention of (most likely) foreigner thieves to do break-ins.
Because if we did these irksome things like the locksmiths and the foodsmiths, etc, we will ONLY INCUR THE WRATH OF OUR COMPATRIOTS so that instead of prodding them gently into our arms, we would only do the very opposite and DRIVE THEM AWAY, pissed, peeved and [i]pissitudinized[/i] (you're right, I just made up this word, haha).
I would suggest further: Print out messages we like to get across, even manisfestos for the kind of Singapore we want (or rather one WE DON'T WANT), distribute them, if not by on-the-street flier method (few wish to be seen accepting one or be seen reading it), by way of post - direct mail works best, inide people's mailboxes, they come home after work to open up to look at dreadful bills (which they must even if they hate them)
and hey, presto, see our messages (include anything from this website too, let them all know The Truth), read them in the comfort and privacy - away from the 'prying eyes' of the MATA - of their own homes.
Costs more, yes, but ensures more 'hits', each and every 'target' is a name and real person, having ben culled from? Yes, the Singapore Phone Book/Directory 2007/2008 - thank you very much, Singtel & Yellow Pages.
And SingPost is working on the profit motive pattern, is it not? So it can not say no to $$$, can it? Heehee
Right. Where to get the money to fund such a masive distribution network - 26c per resident-to-be-mailed, multiplied by 2, 3 million individually unique person and business names on the directories...
Hm, where's Sunny Ho just when we need him?
Sat 05 Jul 2008 8:00 PM
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Eeeediot - the LETTER
Yes i agree that if there was such a letter, why did Old Lee keep it 'under his pillow' and not brought it to show as evidence.
Dont tell me he cannot find it... Or was it non-existence in the first place?
Anyway, the longer he takes to produce thst letter, the more likely it is to be a fake.
As i have mentioned before, if LKY had compelling evidence against Dr Chee, do you think he would want to hide it? He would have brought all of them out and finished Dr Chee by now.
It's now clear for all to see what sort of 'integrity' the famiLEE has.
Sun 06 Jul 2008 8:44 AM
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G Chen
Mike,go read Animal Farm because prophetically it has you in it, under the character of the silly, spineless Squealer the PIG.The only slight difference is that compares to you, Squealer appears more like Einstein and have lots more brains."Best knowledge of Plaintiff"?"defame"? You are a JOKE.
Mon 07 Jul 2008 6:19 AM
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Anonymous
[size=large]Thing is, how can Singapore and her people allow an octogenarian
- and a senile, demented, self-serving one too -
like him to go on helming your national treasury, to trust someone like that to be able to make SOUND investment decisions with of a few hundred billion dollars, YOUR MONEY???[/size]
Tue 08 Jul 2008 4:37 PM
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Karma man - He who sows will reap
I do not like to take sides, I acknowledge that the old man has achieved a lot for this tiny island, however he did have a lot of help from others as well as the general public and lately he has forgotten that. He has helped us but at the same time he has also helped his own kin and kind in many ways. But he has destroyed a lot of people, not bad people but many innocent ones who did not do anything to him. This showed the evil power monster in him.
The hatred these people, their family, friends and lately many more ordinary people have for the old man is growing day by day. It is not uncommon to hear day in day out people lamenting when the old man is going to die. Sadly, unless he does something, he will go down in history not as the most respected man but the most hated by his own people. Your true worth is counted by the drops of tear shed for you. People world over cried when Ghandi died, they cheered when Hitler died. I know what I will do when the old man goes (hopefully before me). Do you?
Wed 09 Jul 2008 12:31 AM
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mike
[quote]CSJ : You see, I had dinner with the Executive Director of the International Bar Association and I have correspondence with them as well. At the end of the Rule of Law Symposium which you were referring to, many of the participants came away very unhappy that the International Bar Association had held its meeting here. [/quote]
Very unhappy with YOUR conduct during the Rule of Law Symposium. I think that is what the IBA chief is trying to tell you indirectly
Wed 09 Jul 2008 5:41 AM
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IBA-n dayak
Erm, can I sue the old man? Would it be too cruel - it'd seem like bullying an octogenarian...
But then again the son, although younger and constitutionally having the greater say in affairs of state, by his (non-)performace (like a lame ducky we use for shooting practices in ranges), doesn't seem he is capable of putting himself and might be dissuaded from doing so by that Taliban-ed, erm, Turbaned, counsel of his that it seems a showdown in Singapore is the equivalent of seeing oil going down to $0 per barrel anytime hereinafter.
So sorry, people of Singapore, do what you have to do to end your plight and sufferings and do it yourselves.
If in case you all rise up in revolt and castrate that family and clan and in future were hauled up to The International Court of Human Rights on genocide charges, fret not, be sure all our members at IBA will stand up and defend you to the very last man.
Go ahead and just do it.
[i]I hate that old-style, old-world full-of-himself barrister for making us scapegoat in his dirty game, made us seem we were his co-conspirators.
Jut you guys watch how I'm gonna personally cut down that demented head of a fox, hollow out the skull and make soup of his brain juice our traditional way, hehehe
Hmm, maybe call it
[size=x-large]LEE KUAN stEW[/size]???
What do ya think?[/i]
Thu 10 Jul 2008 2:19 AM
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Anonymous - re: Picking up small things for nothing
[quote=Mike]Enough is enough..
What is said in court is to the best knowledge of the plaintiff..
No use for CSJ to nickpick small things.
It doesn't matter.
What matters is the amount to be paid for damages.
If you did not defame in the first place, then nothing will happen to you and your pockets need not be emptied.[/quote]
Ha ha, you getting enuf, with your heck care attitudes which is quite different from most opposition supporter.
I also one of them but instead getting irritated I think the best way's to be a observant.
“The foundation of the government of a nation must be built upon the rights of the people, but the administration must be entrusted to experts. We must not look upon those experts as stately and grand presidents and ministers, but simply as our chauffeurs, guards at the gate, cooks, physicians, carpenters, or tailors.”
Please notify the presiding judge Blenda Ang to pass down the punishment as soon as possible. :-)