Singapore Democrats

Dear Mr McFall,

I am a bankrupt and I will not be able to help you to discredit Singapore in the name of Democracy. Maybe you can pay off my debts quickly and I will be most happy to travel.

Then we can talk about what pleases you most like how screw up Singapore is.

Regards

How about seeking help from Ms Rice who is currently in Singapore on this matter? It seem like only the superpower like US would makes impact on our government policies.

All the best.

shame on you pap. what right do you have to impose such restriction? your mind is so small, and your level of mischief is unbelievable.

9 aug is approaching, and i can't help feeling ashame that such repressive regime can last so long....

yes they dun have right to do such rubblish . will make know to more pp than the government stood so low to do such things

According to Gopalan, Shanmugan is a useless minister, no point appeal to him.Ms Chee is a brilliant person. out of so many candidates, she was chosen, so pap is red eye, pap considers ms chee a threat,it will go all out to destroy Chee.She is better than any pap women ministers or MP. I salute her courage.

"none of these travels have translated into a benefit to your creditors" and rejected her application to go to Standford.

Hello Miss Chee,

Do you have friends that can hire you as a professional part-timer while you are there? A 3 weeks or 1 month assignment temporary job that can 'benefit' your creditors? I am sure you can negotiate on your salary 'expectation' with your friends as you will be working, right?
This salary is the ONLY KEY against OA's excuse for not letting you go.
Please delete this comment after you read. So that it won't be a piece of evidence against your application. You know what I mean. Thanx and good luck.

It's worth a try. It's worth it to go for it. Don't let go of this opportunity. You are among the 27 out of 500 chosen!!

Oh no.. it's published.. I thought the moderator can choose to delete... this means its automatically posted. Oh no... hope there's no sabo kings here :(

Rephrase on previous last paragraph.

"It's worth a try. It's worth it to go for it. Don't let go of this opportunity. You are among the 27 chosen out of 500 applications!!

Two female opposition politicians, two fates!

Lately, NCMP Sylvia Lim was seen wearing a Cheongsam, something like what PAP's Irene Ng likes to wear, and looking very much part of the establishment.

Miss Chee looks impressive at those international conferences, but in Singapore, she is a bankrupt and she is constantly dragged to the court, surrounded by the police, or sent to the prison. And now this...

Such a matter will only make Miss Chee shine even more than she does already.

pardon my language but they're bloody assholes for doing this to Ms Chee.

To be recognized by Stanford University, an institution of world renown, speaks volumes for Ms Chee's credibility internationally, and by inference, locally. To refuse her permission to attend the programme is nothing other than base and spiteful and no doubt arrived at in a fit of pique. It is most unbecoming of a government to behave thus. The government says it wants a credible opposition and yet it does all in its power to prevent it. Does its action not speak more powerfully to all around that, in reality, the government does not countenance any opposition at all?

Come on, PAP, why can you not be big-hearted for once in your life? Your heart is so small that it cannot be found by inspection, casual or otherwise. Your mind is as small as the island you inhabit and yet you are so arrogant as to pretend that you are a giant in the global scene. Your stock has gone up in the eyes of the world. Yes, I mean, the laughing stock.

"In the past year, the OA's office had granted her permission to leave Singapore on several occasions when she had to attend international conferences and meetings."

Bankrupts do have liability in such sense that they are restricted from moving out from the country. Given that the OA office had previously allowed Ms Chee to leave the country, that should be appreciated.

Probably this time round, the course would take a longer time and that would mean Ms Chee being oveseas for too long such that debt might not be cleared. Furthermore, the living cost over there is high so if Ms Chee could afford to travel there, then she could pay back the creditors. That could be the logic behind the saga.

Dr. Rice has more important issues such as North Korea on her mind to worry about people like Ms. Chee. As Michael Todaro pointed in his book on Economic Development, there is not always a casaul link between Democracy and Development.

Thank you once again PAP for confirming how contemptibly narrow in outlook and vindictive you are.

Yours is the kind of attitude that is willing and able to make a huge song-and-dance over a $30 increase in allowance for the poor while shamelessly accepting your million dollar salary increments. Yours is the kind of mindset that takes malicious delight in pulling the wings off butterflies because you can.

Petty. Vicious. Pathetic. Deserving of contempt. And you wonder why more than one-third of Singaporeans from all walks of life hate you and all that you represent with a passion?

This is part of the drama of the movie "PAPtrix":
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To: the more liberal thinking PAP MP,

I hope you bring this up in parliament or you to afraid of a certain octogenarian?

I had hoped that Lee is sincere in his recent remark that the difficulties put in the path of the opposition are trials put along the way in order to train up an efective alternative government should the PAP fail.

Miss Chee's attendance at the conference could be political education and training for her, like sending our brightest to prestigious universities in the US.

And, while the attendance would not benefit her creditors, neither would it harm them.

"Thinktot" is still thinking tot!

He is effectively saying that Singapore's reputation is so fragile that Miss Chee's attendance there can destroy it. What a compliment to her!

Undoubtedly, it is this sort of thinking which is behind measures the state has taken against political opposition, and that constantly shows up Singapore to be small-minded rather than projects us as a great country.

THE PAP ARE SCARED OF HER . oh for the power of good women.

The S'pore PAP Govt is now showing their true colors......
CSC was allowed to travel overseas several times b4 by the OA because no one above them told them not to. Now with what happened recently in High Court where she gave a piece of her mind to not only Judge B Ang but also Father&Son Lee, retribution must be exacted.This means they were offended and hurt by this brave garang lady whom they paid scant attention to b4 being more wary of her brother CSJ..What childish pple we have ruling us.But I suppose they are only trying to hang on to the power they have enjoyed and got used to for the last 4-5 decades.
A first-world nation indeed! The PAP Govt is slowly but surely becoming more and more repressive....

LKY once said that there is no credible candidate in opposition parties that can take over future governance of SG if PAP ever falls.

A Singaporean was selected to attend a conference in other country and this chance is really hard to come by. Being one of 27 selected out of 500 applications!

It clearly shows that Ms Chee is outstanding! And why the fuck that PAP dun let her attend? What right do they have to restrict her? LKY don't give birth to her anyway!

PAP - Petty And Pathetic

"Anonymous" has made a perceptive point, appealing to the conscience of the moral PAP MP.

I have often wondered what internal struggles Christians like Danabalan and Tony Tan, and other mature persons of integrity and proven professional excellence, like Tommy Koh and En Hen (dedicated his life to healing and now ministering the education of our young), must have had, working with the PAP.

They undoubtedly want to serve, but have had also to be associated with the bullying and small-mindedness, even if not unfairness, of such childish PAP politicking.

WE as Singaporeans should be proud of Ms Chee who is selected by the renowned Stanford Uni to attend the seminar.This shows that Ms Chee is a capable person.This is above politics, but old lee want to play politics, let him play, his days are not much left.We want to see a New Spore after his demise.Nia Mah !!!

Old Fart only knows how to talk cock and bull.

On the one hand the old despot says he wants to see more credible oppositions. On the other hand the old despot stops them from attaining the credibility that he says they should have.

This old fart is just a two timming snake that cannot be trusted at all. He doesn't preach what he says. He cannot be trusted. He doesn't have any of integrity.

A leader of PAP, of Singapore and he cannot be trusted with what he have said! Shame on him and shame on ourselves for not kicking him out during the GE.

Oh oh.
It's the big bad "Westerners" again, trying to "Do us in".
Guess we should abandon Mcdonalds too huh. Do you know how much they make out of Sg in a yr? Bet you don't.

This is pathertic.

Taking MM's words, word for word, Sg officials have proven yet again that they have ZERO capability to think on thier own.

Hold on a minute.

Didn't we all read an article in the ST about how the Singapore Govt shows sympathy to Aung San Suu Kyi of Myanmar?

Now, what's going on here?

My brother happened to be a bankrupt because of his business failure. 6 months ago, he went to USA for holiday with his family, his AO did not object his application. Last month he went to Hongkong for a week, his AO did not object.

Do you think that going for holiday would result in any benefit to his creditors?

The people in absolute power is absolutely corrupted. Shame on them.

I applaud and support Mike Chan's response in "The Govt is becoming more and more repressive".
May I add that not only are they childish but also mean-spirited and vengeful? Just because Father & Son Lee had their feelings hurt in court last month by our courageous and determined firebrand Ms CSC, they had to extract their pound of flesh. Her punishment of 10 days jail for "contempt of court" was obviously insufficient and they have now marked her for further persecution at every turn where/when they can wield their power.
Petty vengeance and mean-spiritedness as led and exampled by the Govt have now seeped into the population at large.....now we can understand why the Lexus and Toyota at Laguna Park were badly vandalised with acid just 2 days ago just because the 2 respective owners refused to sell their HUDC units enbloc (don't they know the enbloc market is quite dead now?).$2.2 million each unit? Dream on....

Persuade the organisers to hold the seminar in Singaopore..

Then no problem for CSC.

Perhaps there are also applicants to the Stanford programme from PAP. But they were rejected! So this useless party that controls the Singapore government can't lose face because an opposition applicant is obviously more credible and made the cut.

[quote=Madam YY Yeong]Two female opposition politicians, two fates!

Lately, NCMP Sylvia Lim was seen wearing a Cheongsam, something like what PAP's Irene Ng likes to wear, and looking very much part of the establishment.

Miss Chee looks impressive at those international conferences, but in Singapore, she is a bankrupt and she is constantly dragged to the court, surrounded by the police, or sent to the prison. And now this...[/quote]

There is always a price to pay for the real thing.

Generally, you pay less for a fake.

Sylvia Lim was "invited" by the local organiser (Singapore Law Society) to speak at the IBA panel where she uttered her famous "Singapore's law is fair and just" and "WP has no problem finding lawyers" after CSJ said something otherwise earlier.

Very nasty & vindicative people. The whole civil service works for PAP and not the country. Very sad!!

My hate for PAP is growing everyday.From all those nonsense from them every minute.I wish there is an election RIGHT NOW.I will cross out the PAP column right in front of their bloody face.

Education should aim to foster the ability to inquire and create in our students. Has the creation and development of computers, the Internet, satellites, telecommunication, and other electronics-based industry, help to advance this aim?

Yes, indeed--judging from the vibrant and acute comments posted in this political website.

I am heartened daily by the passionate and challenging responses of these Singaporean political commentators (who are mostly humble but observant and thinking ordinary citizens), who constantly take the PAP Government to task for not matching their deeds with their words, and for not responding positively to the changing needs and expectations of the younger generation of voters.

The PAP leaders can do no worse than to ignore their heart-felt and vocal comments--if they want to survive the next general elections without embarassing themselves. For the political tide is changing. Soon, the waves of liberation and salvation will reach our shores. The PAP can do nothing to stop this relentlessly pounding wave of change.

If you violate the people's rights and freedoms, you have to face the eventual and inevitable consequences of their resistance, reaction and opposition! The PAP simply cannot exempt itself from this inevitable political process.

Yes, human rights and freedoms are indeed important (never mind what the PAP apologists, propagandists and lackeys say), and that is not just because major international human rights organizations located in the West--like Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch--are saying so. No, indeed! We ourselves, the proud, well-behaved and law-abiding (but surely too long-suffering and much-oppressed) citizens of Singapore, believe in those rights and freedoms too! For we are all human beings too! Not to mention the self-respecting citizens
of a supposedly democratic society! (Didn't we grow up as students, proudly and dutifully reciting the National Pledge daily, to remind ourselves that it is so?)

But we become adults eventually. And we learnt that a government cannot function and perform its tasks and duties unless it is prepared to use force and deception. This is the nature of politics, we learnt. How can we be still so innocent and idealistic?

And indeed, for a long time, we were prepared to accept the status quo. As long as there is economic success and prosperity, we have largely kept ourselves from making overly-harsh judgments and condemnations on such government coercion and deception--in the name of internal security and political stability.

But now, the people have arisen; they expect more than economic success and growth; they want political reform. They cannot accept the use of deception and the use of force, threats and intimidation by the government any longer. They want transparency and accountability, openness and freedom!

Will the PAP Government rise up to the new challenge? Or will it allow the people's disenchantment, disillusionment and disaffection to grow in intensity and popularity--so much so that its hold on power will be eventually threatened by a new and better-qualified group of opposition politicians--with the growing popular support of the politically-awakened citizens?

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My hate for PAP is growing everyday.From all those nonsense from them every minute.I wish there is an election RIGHT NOW.I will cross out the PAP column right in front of their bloody face.
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eh harlo, crossing the PAP column means you are voting for them leh.

join the conference via webcam...
look of course being there is the best, but if she is held back, make arrangements for her to speak via webcam. In fact, make arrangements for all TBT people and GN to speak.

beat them at their own game and use technology to attend.

[quote=Anonymous]This is part of the drama of the movie "PAPtrix":
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Great work!!

Interesting how you collaged scenes from One Nation Under Lee and made an entirely new production!

this is ridiculous.. it's obvious she itsn't allowed to attend by PAP because of her political stand against the PAP.

CAnnot go for tour only...

Next time lah..

Can still go around in Singapore.

going around in Singapore also not cheap.. Got ERP or taxi fares or MRT..

Go there also no use.

Go and talk BAD things about Singapore and how Singaporeans suffer.

But in the end, can do what?

Nothing.

Only go there to chitchat and gossip and take tea-breaks

And fly back to Singapore and then what?

eat Hainanese Chicken Rice here is better than go and eat cheese in other people place.

I'm sorry I made my previous post, I apologize.. Sometimes I get these panic attacks..

[quote=Mike]I'm sorry I made my previous post, I apologize.. Sometimes I get these panic attacks..[/quote]

This dumbass imposter of mighty Mike should be sent to the firing Squad for execution...

1. I think the best way is to spread information on PAP's actions as widely as possible. I.e. printing them and putting into mailboxes in HDB.

2. Another possibility is to translate some of the useful content into chinese and then do step 1.

Can the SDP help but providing the most interesting content into a few pages.

through webcam or teleconferencing, the pap or MDA will raid the room and ask for licence. They will do all sorts of thing, to deny your access.Double face!!one time say, no capable opposition and when people are capable, they will curb her freedom.Obviously,pap wants to stop the growth of opposition, if not our dear PM would not fix the opposition in GE 06. Like father like son .pui,talk cork,go to hell!!!

Come on, man. What can she do, other than pour dirty linen to make, we Singapore Looks bad.

Yes indeed, S'pore is slowly but surely evolving into an evil empire ruled by the evil emperor Lee Kuan Yew and Pinky Lee, his son.Oppression and repression will gather momentum soon against the SDP and its leaders and followers. Be brave guys and always remember " what does not kill me will make me stronger!" Best wishes from Canada!

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Come on, man. What can she do, other than pour dirty linen to make, we Singapore Looks bad.
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If you don't want other to see your dirty linen, do your laundry.

pap will not let her go.. since they portrayed her as a "crazy woman" using the media, why do they see her as a threat by not letting her attend the event? not to mention she is INVITED. piss off pap. lolx

>through webcam or teleconferencing, the >pap or MDA will raid the room and ask for >licence.

why would she want to reveal where she is holding the webcam session? She can do it at a location that isn't her home/SDP office.

Better still, announce to everyone where she will be doing it - and hope that the PAP dogs will come in halfway, thus letting the whole class see PAP true colors!

[quote=Yoong Kheong]"In the past year, the OA's office had granted her permission to leave Singapore on several occasions when she had to attend international conferences and meetings."

Yes Should be so greatful to leave this Prison City State! Nimrod!

Bankrupts do have liability in such sense that they are restricted from moving out from the country. Given that the OA office had previously allowed Ms Chee to leave the country, that should be appreciated.

Probably this time round, the course would take a longer time and that would mean Ms Chee being oveseas for too long such that debt might not be cleared. Furthermore, the living cost over there is high so if Ms Chee could afford to travel there, then she could pay back the creditors. That could be the logic behind the saga.[/quote]

The cost of living high in the U.S. !? Wtf kind of dope are you on? Wtf is the cost of living in this Island Prison Paradise? Obviously, some people have to much money! Brainwashed Monkeys! Singapore needs a rude awakening on where it really stands in the eyes of the world!

pap i am still waiting , how long more u wan the inflation to reach 100% . HK alreaday react . i thought u like to compare to country ...

[quote]Persuade the organisers to hold the seminar in Singaopore..

Then no problem for CSC.[/quote]

One important (or should I say two) step mike,

1. Persuade the government to allow the seminar here.

2. Persuade the IBA to come back here

Good sugesstion Mike. Finally.

The least you can do. So get your a*** going, mate!

P.S Don't forget to submit your correspondence here.

I wonder if Ms Chee were to go to Sweden to receive her Noble Peace Prize, will AO allow her to leave Singapore. Just imagine, it will be way cool for a opposition party member to be the first Noble Price winner in Singapore. PAP would be so pissed off and lose face. LKY who has ego larger than life would ask why not me? It would drive him crazy. hahahaha

[quote=TMC]Come on, man. What can she do, other than pour dirty linen to make, we Singapore Looks bad.[/quote]

If you don't have dirty linen in the first place, how to air them?

[quote]Just imagine, it will be way cool for a opposition party member to be the first Noble Price winner in Singapore.[/quote]
Learn from the IBA lesson. If that happens, immediately the Nobel Peace Prize will be thumbed down as 'Western' followed by 'they are doing us in'.

CSJ and Siok Chin are the only two persons in Singapore who dare to look LKY in the eye and make him sqirm in his seat and look stupid. Mati, mati the old man wants them out of his way. How? By turning their lives upset down with backruptcy and hoping they will give up.

"none of these travels have translated into a benefit to your creditors" and rejected her application to go to Standford.

Hmm... if one were to think like the way the PAPs do, one can definitely see why they think these travels do not benefit Ms. Chee's creditor. If they allow her go attend the meeting, she will learn more on the subject of democracy, come back to SG and pass her knowledge to her fellow countrymen. Then, these fellow countrymen will become more educated in the topic and realize how bad the SG government has really been. Then, they will vote the PAPs out during the next GE, meaning that the courts and judiciary system will no longer be under the control of the LEEs. Then, they will not be able to sue their political opposents for allegedly defaming them, meaning that they will no longer be able to force people they viewed as "the enemy" to pay them exorbitant amount of damages, which will cause their bank accounts to dwindle. Indeed... it does not benefit the creditors...

[color=blue][b]Well Done Siok Chin - at least Dirty OLd Man is so afraid of you that he dare not admit you!

How mighty are you!

Carry on , give them Hell! Your Sheer presence will make them shiver![/b][/color]

Pathethic lot, Got no guts to face a challenge and instead hiding behind the system like bloody cowards. Speaks volume of their honour and integrity. I have lost all respect for them as human beings let alone leaders.

Her only choice is to alias with the organiser to allow her to communicate with the other delegates via video conferencing. Thus, it is physically proven to these democracy advocates that the PAP is not advancing democracy to the extent of curtailing opposition member's travel needs. Ms Chee, do all that is possible within your means to attend that meeting. 21st century technology will not stop you from speaking out against oppression.

[quote=mike][quote=Mike]I'm sorry I made my previous post, I apologize.. Sometimes I get these panic attacks..[/quote]

This dumbass imposter of mighty Mike should be sent to the firing Squad for execution...[/quote]

Hey! Both of you stop impersonating me!!

Can CSC just use another person's passport to travel .... heard it is easy to leave the country that way.

For a normal bankrupt I would say: shure, it's ok to restrict people. But first, her dept is not big, and second, resticting one's right to free movement is quite serious, especially in such a small county.
Looks like: if you can't restrict people from traveling directly why not indirectly?

I mean, I'm shure Ms. Chee has some securities in Singapore that can be sold to repay the dept in case she does not return. And the fear of her not comming back and thus not repay her dept is the only reason a creditor should be allowed to worry about.