Singapore Democrats

The only way forward... and I am feeling GLAD. May we get the help needed.

Thank You, God. For opening the eyes and hearts of many around the world..

Singaporeans have been crying silently for many many years :(

Thank you, SDP and the many activists for making the efforts and sacrifices.

Anwar did it by garnering support from his believers. Thai PAD did it by gathering enough protesters to put pressure on the government.

SDP did it by assistance from outside Singapore

[quote=Muhammad Shamin]Right now, may I suggest to the SDP to have a MASTERPLAN to TAKEOVER the government and not just be an OPPOSITION.

Salam Reformasi![/quote]

Let's discuss further.

After posting 39 comments to various SDP articles in this website, I am confident that activists, critics and opposition politicians are on the right path to political reform in Singapore.

I have emerged from the underground, spending years studyting the political situation in Singapore--and now writing with a sense of liberation since April 2008 in this website.

What I have learnt about political writing is that you must maintain a consistently high standard of critical discourse--and establishing your credentials and credibility with the force of your intelligence and honesty, backed by historical knowledge and experience.

I have learnt from my intellectual mentors in Western history, philosophy, literature and politics that devotion to one's ideals ultimately helps one's country to be a better member of the world community. I have challenged PAP's historical actions in its dealings with human rights matters with such ideals of mine in mind.

I thank the leadership of the Singapore Democratic Party for allowing me to engage with my readers in my pursuit of goals that would ultimately benefit Singapore.

The younger generation of Singaporeans must never forget the historical roots of PAP authoritarianism and autocracy. It is dishonest to deny LKY's role in transforming Singapore--its mass media, its trade unions, its universities, its professioal organizations, its civil service--into a tool for oppressing and controlling Singaporeans.

I have highlighted such PAP repression and control in my postings and comments on the press/mass media, opposition parties, the underclass, the unjust laws in Singapore, the elites, LKY's treatment of political opponents, political activism, PAP's pragmatic policies, the value of freedom, equality, governmental paranoia, civil disobedience, and PAP's treatment of Western criticism.

I will have more to write about in the days and years to come. Let Singaporeans who share my views and ideals strengthen themselves for the tasks ahead!

[quote=AnnA]
李光耀资政《福布斯亚洲版》发表时评：中国明白要改善国际地位治理方式须符合国际标准
(2008-09-09 zaobao.com）
[/quote]
So MM Lee, Singapore adheres to UN human right standard? Dispense advice and not living up to the standard? What a hypocrite.

I think the video shows Ms Chee as very extreme and combative. Despite the police and MDA being polite, the SDP people are every rude.

It's about time this happens. Prosecuting people who assemble peacefully is in itself an act of violence, and the prosecutors should be prosecuted.

The International Bar Association has recently condemned the judiciary as not independent and now the simple expressions of speech and assembly that are denied to Singaporeans are going to be raised at the UN.

It's really great! Keep up the good work in exposing the true nature of the PAP authoritarian regime.

I think individual like us should write to the various representatives in that group to express our plight so that they have more to act on.

[color=blue][b]Hope this opens the world's eyes to the Oppresions we live under the Regime![/b][/color]

Who are Singapore's traitors?

Those who shop in Johore Baru are NOT traitors...

Those who go Thailand to play are NOT traitors...

Those who go Johore Baru, a foreign country, to sell their ideas and critise Singapore and pretending they are helping Singaporeans ARE TRAITORS..

You may critise PAP, hate PAP...

But you should not do it other people's land..

when you hate PAP so much, you will actually turn to hate Singapore and Singaporeans too.. who didn't vote you in.

How can Singaporeans trust traitors?

PAP may not be that good or perfect..

But still a better choice than traitors..

those who were voted into parliament but did not speak up for the people are traitors!
those who manipulate the elections system until there is little fairplay are traitors!
those who control the MSM and suppress the truth are traitors!
those who influence the courts are traitors! ( IBA report )
those who introduce laws to stifle citizens' political participation are traitors!
The real traitors are those who have acted against the national pledge.
Do we need help to figure this out?

LOL. Reading this. Lee sold this country. Who is the real traitor now. woot!

MIke Thanks!!!!
You hit it on the head and finally said something intelligent... I knew you had it in you somewhere.

"when you hate PAP so much, you will actually turn to hate Singapore and Singaporeans too.."

The pap is singapore, and if we don't agree with the pap, think their style of governance does not work for the people the way it should, and have singaporeans leaving and people saying they are not patriotic, then what does that tell you?

Just as you implied, it tells you and any man on the street can tell you that more and more people are hating the pap, in turn hating their own country and at times their own people which naturally causes dislike for foreigners and actually and eventually (if not already) extends it into dislikes for other races and let's not pretend racism does not exist because it does. the pap is dividing a country and creating more severe cracks than it's ricebowl fixes can glue together. In contrast, SDP, Reform and other individuals are trying to pull everything back together while people voice concerns good and bad and the pap insists on a blind train of thought which is "fixing" opposition.

i have said this all along, the opposition is the pap.

At last there is some hope in the horizon, After decades of control and oppression, help is coming to free us from this well tended 'bird cage'.

Yes, I use this analogy of S'pore as a well 'bird cage' 'cos that's exactly what it is. But not allow to fly freely. Nice and clean (barely now with all the FW) but getting crowded as more 'birds' are added to the cage. How much to eat, drink and space to have is decided by the old senile 'master'(of politics).

Given the chance all 'birds' will rather fly into freedom when the cage door is open than be kept in it.

UNHRC please please help us!!



tohjohn

Fellow-Singaporean,

The very act of passing a law that all possesion and even private showing of videos must be licensed, and then sending government officers to disrupt a private gathering in the middle of their eating and viewing, demanding the immediate confiscation of the video, is 'rude and unruly' governance.

It is made worse by the the officers deliberately putting on a rehearsed 'politeness' whilst executing their orders.

It is like somebody slapping you, and politely saying sorry whilst doing so.

[quote=Mike]Who are Singapore's traitors?

Those who shop in Johore Baru are NOT traitors...

Those who go Thailand to play are NOT traitors...

Those who go Johore Baru, a foreign country, to sell their ideas and critise Singapore and pretending they are helping Singaporeans ARE TRAITORS..

You may critise PAP, hate PAP...

But you should not do it other people's land..

when you hate PAP so much, you will actually turn to hate Singapore and Singaporeans too.. who didn't vote you in.

How can Singaporeans trust traitors?

PAP may not be that good or perfect..

But still a better choice than traitors..[/quote]

Mike, Mike, Mike. What will you call a man who wrote a book and sell it internationally, and in it call describes Singaporeans "adult dogs"? Sure it must be worse than traitor?

"Mine is a very matter-of-fact approach to the problem. If you can select a population and they're educated and they're properly brought up, then you don't have to use too much of the stick because they would already have been trained. It's like with dogs. You train it in a proper way from small. It will know that it's got to leave, go outside to pee and to defecate. No, we are not that kind of society. We had to train adult dogs who even today deliberately urinate in the lifts." - Lee Kuan Yew on Singapore society, The Man & His Ideas, 1997

[quote=Muhammad Shamin][quote=Muhammad Shamin]Right now, may I suggest to the SDP to have a MASTERPLAN to TAKEOVER the government and not just be an OPPOSITION.

Salam Reformasi![/quote]

Let's discuss further.[/quote]

Can't u use a different name? No originality...

[quote=Mike]Who are Singapore's traitors?

Those who shop in Johore Baru are NOT traitors...

Those who go Thailand to play are NOT traitors...

Those who go Johore Baru, a foreign
country, to sell their ideas and critise Singapore and pretending they are helping Singaporeans ARE TRAITORS..

You may critise PAP, hate PAP...

But you should not do it other people's land..

when you hate PAP so much, you will actually turn to hate Singapore and Singaporeans too.. who didn't vote you in.

How can Singaporeans trust traitors?

PAP may not be that good or perfect..

But still a better choice than traitors..[/quote]

I think it is people who do not speak up their mind who are traitors. And for your information changes of government, revolution did not just happen in the land itself. For example, the Iranian revolution was led by Ayatollah Khomeini when he was exiled to France. He led the revolution from there.

Nawaz Sharif was exiled to Saudi Arabia only to return back leading the second largest party in Pakistan's Parliament. I do not see anything traitorous by saying something about the government outside of the country.

"The only thing necessary for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

Ray,

be reminded that it was Lim Chin Siong who had been against the sort of so-called independence of Malaya and Singapore where such laws, especially the ISA, would still exist.

He had said that we are not truly free where our not being imprisoned at possibly any time and for any reason is only by grace of government, which is not required even to divulge grounds for any arrest without trial, ISA according it the absolute right to confidentiality.

He had said that it would make no difference to slaves, whether the master were British or another. (I would say it is worse when your own kind enslave you and thus betray your fraternal trust.)

I recall that, under the British, unless you were gangsters or terrorists, there was among the people the total absence of the sort of phobia of government most Singaporeans now have.

A colleague of mine, who holds a Ph.D, warned me about being outspoken. When I replied that I was on the verge of retirement and therefore had less cause to fear (I had been outspoken all along), he astounded me with the retort that 'they can still get your children'! O, the fear is endless!

And students of mine at tertiary education rumoured around themselves that an online forum I had created for them to discuss their views was only a trap, and they should be wary what they posted! (Those were relatively very young Singaporeans, and so I surmised that they had got the contagion of fear from their fathers.)

Sinister Minister - ,

what you said makes perfect sense.

In the end, all the UN will do is issue warnings and condemnations. The PAP will respond with "we don't subscribe to western liberal values". And then business will go on.

Sinkees must not believe that any angels outside will free them. WE are the only ones who can topple the PAP dogs.

To Sinister Minister: What on earth makes you think that the PAP IS Singapore? The PAP forms the bulk of our government. By virtue of its supermajority, functionally, it IS the government. But prehaps you ought to know that among the circles of political scientists, there is a very clear distinction between the state and the government that runs it.

We should be clear on this.

And to Mike: Traitors they may be, to you. I do not wish to denounce your opinion (everyone is entitled to that much at least). But understand at least that these people feel that they need to at least be heard. Since that isn't possible here, perhaps they felt the need to go to somewhere where they wouldn't be forcibly stifled. Traitors run for the hills after their acts have been exposed, in fear of retribution. Tell me then, how many of these 'traitors' have ran away? And how many still stay here in our homeland, despite what awaits them here?

There are many injustices in the world. This is will rank like 103457 on the UN agenda - note that is is merely that a human rights groups is raising the issue at the UN. It is not as if the UN is supporting and siding the SDP. Will issues like "illegal combatants" detained (without trial) in cuba be raised too? How about issues like Darfur? In Singapore, we are free to access CNN, BBC, WSJ. We can walk the streets with little fear of crime, we can go anywhere we want with our passports. These are important human rights too.

[quote=NOT MY SDP]Anwar did it by garnering support from his believers. Thai PAD did it by gathering enough protesters to put pressure on the government.

SDP did it by assistance from outside Singapore[/quote]

Deep in our hearts, we know how cruel LKY can be. How he had silenced so many citizens and even some foreigners by detention or by suing them. He has even sought to sending people to IMH too.

It has already been 43 years with this dictator. If Singapore citizens cannot do it by ourselves because of his tyranny, its high time to seek help from outside, if that's the only way to awaken the whole nation that he is the biggest liar in Singapore for the sake of being in power. And I hope everyone who is involved with PAP as corrupted member of parliament for their bloated salaries will also be charge.

I agree with both AnnA and Old Uncle's Friend. Does mean the PAP is not the worst dictatorship means that they should stick around?

Time has change, they must go. If not having LKY and PAP means we are more like Hong Kong, so be it.

I can't live with all the bull and shit at the same time.

This is the only way to stop Lee Kuan Yew and his cronies to further abusing power onto our PEOPLE'S.

Mr.Seelan, you had done a real great job to save Singaporeans, by exposing the hidden truth in our political history and preventing PAP to force our PEOPLE'S to live begging for their mercy.

Best Regards,
Fong M.Y.

The biggest traitor of all is betraying the whole human race by denying basic human rights. This is exactly what PAP and its supporters are doing right now in Singapore.

[quote]
Who are Singapore's traitors?

Those who shop in Johore Baru are NOT traitors...

Those who go Thailand to play are NOT traitors...

Those who go Johore Baru, a foreign country, to sell their ideas and critise Singapore and pretending they are helping Singaporeans ARE TRAITORS..

You may critise PAP, hate PAP...

But you should not do it other people's land..

when you hate PAP so much, you will actually turn to hate Singapore and Singaporeans too.. who didn't vote you in.

How can Singaporeans trust traitors?

PAP may not be that good or perfect..

But still a better choice than traitors..
[/quote]

Hi Mike,

go geylang donate sperm to mei mei considered traitorous or not?

[quote=Mike]Who are Singapore's traitors?

Those who shop in Johore Baru are NOT traitors...

Those who go Thailand to play are NOT traitors...

Those who go Johore Baru, a foreign country, to sell their ideas and critise Singapore and pretending they are helping Singaporeans ARE TRAITORS..

You may critise PAP, hate PAP...

But you should not do it other people's land..

when you hate PAP so much, you will actually turn to hate Singapore and Singaporeans too.. who didn't vote you in.

How can Singaporeans trust traitors?

PAP may not be that good or perfect..

But still a better choice than traitors..[/quote]

Those who have undermined the interests of the people in favor of ruling dictators are the real traitors, of the people and the nation

Suzee... wake up.
The pap is singapore.
Did you have a say for more erp's?
Did you have a say for more foreigners?
Did you have a say for minister's salaries?
Did you have a say for the casino?
Did you have a say that two will do?
Did you have a say that now we need children?
Did you have a say in appreciating the Sing dollar when any finance 101 student could have told you exports will become more expensive and it is not the right time to do this?
Did you have a say in depreciating the Sing dollar to help the manufacturing sector by making exports cheaper to buy?

Suzee, i can can go, we all can.

sorry to burst your bubble,tohjohn.

they wont.

simply because in international politics,as we all know,money and military speaks.

we might not have the latter,but the former,you bet we punch above our weight.

the world is riddled with countless human rights abuses.by the time they look to spore's unique circumstance,many decades would have lapsed.

why?

simple because the human rights "violation" in singapore is NEGLIGIBLE, more so when you compare it with the rest of the world in the grand scheme of things.

this is a matter of imperfect governance - but where in the world is there perfection?

chee resorts to this antics to keep the foreign media and organizations like this interested and take pity on him, so that occasionally he and his accomplice sister get invites to attend things overseas.

without exaggerating the state of events in singapore and spin stories the way sdp likes it, the foreign interest in spore's situation will wane, because we are simply too small for them to bother,and that relatively speaking,the human rights conditions here surpass that in many other parts of the world.

so the world is busy enough with its Myanmars and Angolas and Zimbabwes... sorry chee, not working!

To be fruitfully curious, "Curious" is advised to learn two points of elementary logic.

1) It doesn't follow that we are justified to do wrong because others are doing it. So the PAP cannot be excused from striving to undo our imperfections just by asking, as 'Curious' does, 'where in the world is there perfection?' (Has not the PAP been priding itself on being 'incorruptible', unlike other politicians elsewhere?)

2} When issues are raised, attend to them. Attacking the persons who raise the issues, like ascribing dishonourable motives to them, is not to answer their concerns. In elementary logic courses, this fallacy is called 'the ad hominem fallacy'.

So it is not 'constructive criticism' to accuse the Chees of having motives such as trying to win 'foreign sympathy', etc. This sort of 'hitting below the belt' usually occurs when one has lost the bout! And that is 'cheating'!

Even if the governance is perfect, the fact remains that LKY is a evil person. Do you want your kids to be lead by such a person?

You can say that Clinton is not perfect, George Bush is not perfect ... but they were under the microscope ... imagine LKY is under the same microscope. Imagine what LKY did to Lim Chin Siong is widely publicized, do you think he can continue to hold on to power? I don't think so.

Even if politics is meant to be dirty, we should let the people judge. For christ sake, just have a free press. Can't their record withstand the scrutiny of a free press?

When there comes a day when the opposition takes control of singapore..we are all doomed. Doomed not because of the opposition, but because the pap has already got a strong grip on us all. They have NTUC,SBS,HDB,MDA,NKF,PUB etc. If the opposition takes control..to regain power, they simply have to increase the prices of the services provided and we are screwed over.Think about it. Is there a solution to this ?? WE ARE FUCKED. The opposition are putting up a brave fight. Salute !

To: the_used

There will always be solutions to problems.

Problems created by human has the level of getting solutions by human.

The only thing that cannot be change or cannot be solved are the things that comes by God. Nature's event. Designed by God and can only be handled by God.

If PAP is gone, Singapore's problem can easily be solve by devoted Singaporeans.