Singapore Democrats

I don't care what you say. I am from NUS and will grad next year.

After grad, will get a cushy job and enjoy my life as a Singaporean.

Whats wrong with the PAP?

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"ah beng Mon, 15 Sep 2008(2:26 am)
Relax lah, that old man is mortal, he will have to go. I throw party, who want to come?
AnnA - ah beng Mon, 15 Sep 2008 3:33 am
Ah Beng, its going to be soon already.... saw an article saying heart rhythm abnormal. A few days time... a few days time..."
These comments say a lot about the people who posted them. The kind of people who support the SDP. I suppose I have to take back what I said about AnnA. Enough said.

SDP asked of you to be the "stewards of your own destiny", being guided by the inaccuracies of SDP propaganda. We asked of you to Pilot your own destiny. Apply your critical reasoning skills to sift out the untruths within the SDP propaganda. Do not be led by the nose with sensationalised, one-faced reporting.

[i]Great thinkers and discoverers are never content to accept what is written in textbooks. Ideas and notions are constantly challenged. That's how academia flourishes and, more important, the reason it continues to occupy the driving seat of progress.[/i] - Dr Chee

The statement only applies to that of the realm of academia (as you have already noted). And when you try to put to practice theories and philosophies, you usually end up finding yourself at the beginning – and what's worse, all the more confused.

The only reason why Greek philosophies flourished was because they decided to contest and rebel. But if you ask me, more often than not, their arguments were usually centered around a very common ideal i.e. the soul and more metaphysical aspects. What they really had were just very different perceptions of the same occurrence – and thus, all their arguments were cyclical, building upon each other's previous thoughts. They started to cut and paste aspects that they liked, and removed the others they didn't. And likewise, I believe politics follows the same progression, you use information you can get to your advantage, and likewise, so does every other party! Today might just be the day where the PAP reigns, but hey, every dog has it's day!

It seems to me (and I think, lots of other Singaporeans) that your quest for freedom is very much a personal vendetta against what you coined, the LEE-gime. As much as the local media is biased, I too would say the same about your publications, videos and speeches. None of them are one bit neutral. Too strong a taste of the SDP, can be quite a turn off. Democracy is something that is earned, not imposed. (and by that, I do not mean that the PAP has earned it, but, they have done a really 'good' job keeping it)

I have read The Prince by Niccolò Machiavelli (inspired by One Nation Under Lee), and I would dare ask, would you not rule like The Prince Niccolo created? If the power of freedom was so hard a battle for you, would you give it away so easily? I don't think you would. And if you still persist (that you would still govern with freedom), then let's just say, you fall short of being a liar.

Dr Chee,
BYE!

PS I think you should first practice democracy by removing the function where you moderate what comments can and cannot be viewed by the internet community

Dear Dr CSJ,

I really admire you courage and persistency in the cause for upholding democracy. May God bless you and may the efforts pay off.

Salam Reformasi!

Yes, it's very tedious and same for US!!!

Dear Dr Chee

The youths of today, with their eyes pried open by the Internet, are less prone to believe totally the propaganda of the jerks & corrupts at Dictatorship & Carriers Party.

When that Old Most Corrupt & No. 1 Practitioner of Nepotism dies, as he must, naturally, all the stage around the Party will collapse & decay.

30 years of factory production of gutless graduates will be lead by the Young of today. Sad but true.

Better late than never.

We thank you for doing the hard work to inspire the Youth to see beyond the fence & gates of the invisible prisons erected to exercise dictatorship for the Junior Clueless who calls himself Primate Material.

I laugh when I see the spoils of nepotism; but my heart cry for the people of Singapore.

I salute you. I thank you.

HK

[quote=Derek wong]I don't care what you say. I am from NUS and will grad next year.

After grad, will get a cushy job and enjoy my life as a Singaporean.

Whats wrong with the PAP?[/quote]

Dear Derek,

You will not be concern with the political situation in Singapore because you probably think it doesn't affect you at all as long as you have a job and are able to enjoy life.

Pardon me for saying but this is a narrow simple minded thinking you have there.

Wait till you find out that with the dream job of yours, you are unable to afford a car, buy a house and save enough for retirement unless you are willing to working long hours and making yourself in deep debt with housing loan and car loan.

Just enjoy the days you have in school before reality sets in.

Reading this letter written by Dr Chee Soon Juan differs from what LKY claimed him to be. May everyone who has been detesting SDP sees the integrity that lays within these words, words written by Dr Chee.

I am sure there are our future leaders among those students that you are appealing. The ones that will have compassion towards the young and old without prejudice. The ones that are eager to make changes in our life for the better, not only freedom from the clutches of those tyrants but also to regain our strayed spirits.

May we go strive together in peace and harmony.

May God Bless Singapore. Ameen.

I feel that LKY is the one who has no freedom at all. Look at him, he lives in fear; fear cos he can't let go of what he's achieved. Material wealth and status can wreck havoc on a man Which human being will actually want to give it all up? He fears of losing it. Of course, he can't take it with him when he dies. He has no freedom to walk around wherever and whenever he likes. He can't sit at coffeeshops, go jalan jalan etc. He has never tasted the life of being an ordinary citizen, of living in a HDB flat. He doesn't know how it actually feels like to be like us. He can't walk the streets alone without bodyguards. So, I actually pity him.

[quote]here in Singapore the Government is more interested in churning out graduates for the economy. It discourages students from engaging in social and political issues so much so that your educational experience is decidedly stunted.[/quote]

[color=blue][b]A quote-Father Lee practiced! We, as students and even as citizens must unlearn![/b][/color]

Are PAP voters of the Derek Wong sort?

'I grieve for' Lee Kuan Yew.

[quote=Old Uncle's Friend]Quote
"ah beng Mon, 15 Sep 2008(2:26 am)
Relax lah, that old man is mortal, he will have to go. I throw party, who want to come?
AnnA - ah beng Mon, 15 Sep 2008 3:33 am
Ah Beng, its going to be soon already.... saw an article saying heart rhythm abnormal. A few days time... a few days time..."
These comments say a lot about the people who posted them. The kind of people who support the SDP. I suppose I have to take back what I said about AnnA. Enough said.[/quote]Hey, what do you know about AnnA and me and the rest of the Supporters? Nothing. Why don't you relax one corner?

LKY too, had gone into the university, seemingly to interact with students.

One year after I had left tutoring there, and taken up a job elsewhere, my good friend, a philosophy lecturer, attended, in the then LT 4, an address of LKY to the students union. I was told this was what happened.

During question time, my friend queried him about the morality of legalising abortion, which government was then in the process of doing. My friend persisted, and LKY became angry. He pushed the student chairman aside, and said that he would take over if he didn't know how to chair. He then left, telling the 500 students and staff gathered there that they could go on listening to my friend if they desired.

Not a word in the press the next day.

Maybe, I should continue my oral history.

I was told by another good friend, my philosophy teacher, that one week after the incident I related above, the entire university staff (except the history department, whose head had been a PAP Minister) was summoned to meet LKY on neutral ground at the then National Theatre.

There LKY referred to the incident and warned them that they were only to transmit their expertises to students, and not temper with 'our values'. if they did so temper, then, if foreigners, they would be out in twenty-four hours. If local, then he would have to'bear with them'.

My friend who queried LKY in that incident was local. When his contract came up for renewal soon after, it was renewed only for one year. He left for Australia.

The Vice Chancellor then was Toh Chin Chye, also Cabinet Minister in government.

[quote]I don't care what you say. I am from NUS and will grad next year.

After grad, will get a cushy job and enjoy my life as a Singaporean. [/quote]

As part of the PAP Internet Brigade? Good luck with your job hunt in the private sector. Hope that you major in something that is not affected by FT...

[quote=Fantastic 4 - Quest against Dr]
PS I think you should first practice democracy by removing the function where you moderate what comments can and cannot be viewed by the internet community[/quote]

I think the SDP has been far more gracious than any other political party in allowing the many hurtful comments made by people against them.

And if you're so interested in 'practicing democracy' then why don't you go write to the PAP about it? I'm sure there's much more to say to and about them.

You, and all the people like yourself, come here on this website and discredit and criticize so much, I wonder whether you have done anything to improve the state we're in at all. Unless of course you think everything is perfectly alright.

Dr Chee and the people in SDP have foresight and principles, and above all they have good hearts. It hurts me a lot to read some of the comments made about them, but as everyone can see they are not affected much by them at all as they continue to do everything they do in the same strong spirit.


For what has been done and said to Chia Thye Poh, Said Zahari and the SDP - Karmic justice will come, just wait and see.

Dear Mr Tan,

Greetings and hope this this message finds you well. I'm always interested to read your comments on this website. Your thought-provoking questions, answers, analysis and 'insights experiences' with the regime gives me particular interests in wanting to know your past experiences.

From your many postings here, I reckon you must be one highly-educated professional in your own right. It must have been challenging on you to have encounters with the ruling regime in the course of your teaching profession and your work experiences each time when you are not on 'their side'.

Keep sharing your past experiences with us here. I believe many of us here are hungry for more balanced news from people like you who thinks 'out of the box'.

Take care and God Bless.

tai wei, it is unfortunate that your good friends who are teaching in the university have failed to step up and do something about the incidents you so poignantly recalled above.

tell your friends who were in the thick of things to not be cowards and stand up for what they believe in, dont leave it till decades later and just retell this oral history when it could have been different, slightly, if your friends who witnessed it did something about that and not just cowed away and let lky bulldozer his way through, if that is the point you are trying to insinuate by taxing on your memory and digging up such far gone incidents.

I've made a few comments regarding Dr Chee's integrity, citing the reported instances where he siphoned university's funds for his own private gain. However the SDP has not published a single one of them. Perhaps its time to stop being hypocrites and practice what you teach. Then maybe people will start to treat you as more than a political side-show. Maybe we should write in to Forum about this?

P.S I don't remember ever seeing on the PAP's website (or any forum for that matter) a wish made by PAP supporters for Dr Chee to die. The comments by the SDP supporters reveal a lot about their nature.

[quote=Lux Aeterna]P.S I don't remember ever seeing on the PAP's website (or any forum for that matter) a wish made by PAP supporters for Dr Chee to die. The comments by the SDP supporters reveal a lot about their nature.[/quote]

Maybe that's because Dr Chee hasn't done anything like Lee Kuan Yew has that makes people wishing him to die so much.

Your post, and your belief in Dr Chee's so-called "siphoning of university funds for his own private gain", reveals a lot about your nature and your ideas as well :)

If you ever get a chance, talk to Chia Thye Poh and Said Zahari about your ideas, I'm sure they'll have a lot to tell you.

[quote=Lux Aeterna]I've made a few comments regarding Dr Chee's integrity, citing the reported instances where he siphoned university's funds for his own private gain. However the SDP has not published a single one of them. Perhaps its time to stop being hypocrites and practice what you teach. Then maybe people will start to treat you as more than a political side-show. Maybe we should write in to Forum about this?

P.S I don't remember ever seeing on the PAP's website (or any forum for that matter) a wish made by PAP supporters for Dr Chee to die. The comments by the SDP supporters reveal a lot about their nature.[/quote]

Well they certainly didn't say that in their website but you can look at those articles in the newspapers post-Dr-CSJ-kena-sue-for-defamations trying to potray him as a lunatic.

Death is God's Will. It is natural. No human has ever feel insulted by God's Will on death. You can run to anywhere around the world, when it's time, you cannot hide because you are meant to die on that spot. Anywhere. The spot where you will be sitting, standing or sleeping. The spot with exact timing.

Insults comes from the mouth of mankind. It comes from the brain and heart. No animals ever insulted another animals but men do insult each other. Like LKY using the media on news with intend of insulting a certified doctor as psychopath, liar, clown etc. Insulting by making Dr Chee a bankruptcy.

While death comes once in a lifetime. Insults prolong throughout one's life and does affect one's morale.

[quote=Lux Aeterna]P.S I don't remember ever seeing on the PAP's website (or any forum for that matter) a wish made by PAP supporters for Dr Chee to die. The comments by the SDP supporters reveal a lot about their nature.[/quote]

And why do you think people hate LKY so much?

Hi Chee
kind a wondering what is this letter for?
U get pissed as nobody believes?
I am sure nobody believes, as you kill your lawyer and don do anything....

Mr Tan Tai Wei,

I remember. There were some reports entitled "The Day the Prime Miniser Pushes a Student Leader."

The good old days.....

Dear Mr Albert Ng,

Thank you for those nice words, even though, whether a good thing or not, I cannot claim to have been that close with 'the ruling regime'. And education, it is rightly said, is not just certifications and degrees, so I can only hope to deserve your high regard for my educational attainment.

Nevertheless, especially with your encouragement, I shall continue to try to be helpful.

Hello, 'Curious',

Those 'far gone incidents', on one possible reading of them, portray a style of governance that may still be alive today. Character and ingrained motivational patterns and intentions have the tendency to be permanent. Therefore, understanding the past may help us to interpret more discerningly present events and acts of governance, either those done by Lee himself or the government he 'mentors'.

At any rate, we are supposed to know 'our roots' and the nature of the persons and events that brought us to where we are. Then we can have a truer sense of proportion as to what, as good citizens, we can be proud of, and what not, each time we hang out our national flag.

Hey, Lux,

SDP could be helping you by not putting up your postings about the 'instances' Chee 'siphoned of university funds for his own private gain'. You could have been sued for libel, if Chee were anything like LKY!

The truth is there was only one instance, and nothing like siphoning off university funds. It involved about $150 postage, which he used research funds allocated to his research project to pay for, thinking, probably unwisely, that it was alright. For although it was to send his wife's Ph D thesis for examination in America, she was doing it as part of the funded research, using the same data. So, in Chee's mind, it was like sending the research for external validation, saving the university external consultation cost, which could amount to much more, had it been done via normal means.

I have posted my views on this incident before on this website, citing grounds to suspect political interferences that had resulted in Chee's dismissal and being sued by the university.

That incident seemed reminiscent of, in the words of 'Curious', those 'far gone incidents'.

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After almost half a century of PAP brainwashing and protecting Singaporeans from the truth, it is small wonder today we are soulless, gutless, apathetic and cannot see beyond our personal comfort. It is time to wrest back our rights and dignity as human beings. And I thank Dr Chee and the SDP for paving the way for us.

I have only 1 word to those ppl that keep writing negative comments about SDP pretending that Singapore is perfectly alright & ignoring the facts that majority are suffering in silence...

“狼心狗肺”

Dear Tan,

I think you have misread the essence of my point. I am not discrediting in your post's merit per se. I am pointing out the fact that people like your friends, who were in positions to protest and jostle for change to make the voice of the "oppressed" minority should have the guts to do it and not live in fear of cowardice, and just survive to be able to spread such stories, years later when the battle has already been lost without a fight.

i fully concur with you when you comment, rather psychologically, that knowing the past gives us a sense of how and who got us here. that is fully valid and that is why history, as an academic domain, is even existent in the first place.

on this note, it is perhaps relevant for all interested to really look at the history of dr. chee's rise to political prominence. since 1992 when he was first brought to the forefront of opposition politics, he has definitely come a long way - negatively, that is.

i urge all to read up on dr. chee's dubious questionable political origins and subsequent developments to understand, in the words of Tan, the "nature of the persons and events that brought us to where we are ...(and) have a truer sense of" all the events and situations of the present day.

a humble suggestion would be hussin mutalib's "Party and Politics: a Study of PAP and the Opposition Parties in Singapore", or Derek da Cunha's "The Price of Victory: The 1997 Singapore GE and Beyond"