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Lawyer Mr Chia Ti Lik is presently on a week-long visit to London to meet with NGOs and the legal fraternity to discuss the upcoming trial that Tak Boleh Tahan activists are facing. The trial will commence on 23 Oct 08. More information will be posted shortly.

Among some of the organisations that Mr Chia is meeting are the UK's Law Society as well as Interrights.

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AnnA  -  Great Effort    Fri, 10 Oct 2008 8:51 am Just don't forget to make them imagine to put themselves in as Singaporean. This will be most effective to put the words across. How their soul will not accept what we have been through, done by that despicable old man... the feeling of being cheated and caged. May God Bless Us All And Allow All Possible Help We Can Get From Around The World To End Our Misery In Singapore And Put A Stop On Those Ridiculous Bullies. Keep it going, SDP! Quote 45   8

Well Done  -  Keep it up    Fri, 10 Oct 2008 4:40 pm Very very Pro Active SDP/Mr Chia Ti Lik! At least you are travelling for a purpose despite the fact that your trip is not tax paid by citizens! Unlike our Papees who travel frivolously! Well Done Mr Chia and keep it up! Quote 43   4

Afraid of the dark  -     Fri, 10 Oct 2008 4:58 pm anna, when will you learn that other countries will not give a hoot about singapore until singaporeans have the will to walk through the fire on their own. please, as an expat in singapore i am actually quite sickened that you would ask my home country for help when it is utterly obvious people here will not help themselves. harsh words but please hear me out. i am at a belief that this website needs to have posters register their names and addresses and have it verified within the sdp so that if you want to speak up here, you must be willing to stand up and be counted. otherwise you look like weaklings hiding behind the Internet and grumbling till kingdom come. i've said this before, i am on the side of right, and that is the side of the sdp. however, i am also both an idealist and a realist and for your ideals to come forward, the reality is singaporeans must come forward. anna, look at the big picture. if you think, or if anyone thinks a government is going to put pressure on this government and risk diplomacy, policy, etc., when the singaporeans are basically showing the world they have no interest in change, you have got it backwards. governments will not get involved unless it is shown that something catastrophic, inhumane, or a real change that is coming in order to align themselves with the change. and when i say inhumane, i am talking about things on the order of killings in the streets. ngo's, they hold no clout with your government. there is nothing they can do to force a change. so the reality is as always, change starts with you the individual. until you walk the streets, break unjust laws, protest, and make sacrifices that may or may not hurt you financially or socially, call on yourself before you call on others. my advice to sdp, have people register here so that every singaporean, yes, including yew know who and ISA and everyone else will see that there are real people. singaporeans are followers, everyone knows that. until followers have others to follow, they will not move and remain behind the shadows of the Internet forever in fear to step out into the light. at the end of the day, if you do not wish for the world to know who you are, then it means your fears still conquer you and you are not prepared to make the sacrifices to overcome. there is a saying, it goes something like this: "walk on the left side of the road, you'll be safe. walk on the right side of the road, you'll be safe. walk in the middle and you'll get run over." i am on your side but when you grumble and do nothing or when a nation grumbles and does noting, you are walking in the middle of the road and the pap will just keep running you over. in other words, until you and everyone else commits you will never be safe. stand up, be counted, come into the light, make the commitment, and take the task head on including the sacrifices. sdp, i think it is time to lead your people off the middle of the road and guide them to safety. and for now, safety is in the form of numbers...you need to know who has the passion, the will, the determination, the fire to move forward, and you need to know who will remain in the middle of the road. GN had it right when he changed his policy on his blog from everyone posting to only registered people posting. I thought he would shut out people's voices by doing this, but instead people saw that there were ordinary folks willing to come out into the light. Quote 49   7

I love SDP  -  strange !    Fri, 10 Oct 2008 5:44 pm I found this in LSS website when I did a search.. "Your search - J B Jeyaretnam - did not match any documents. Suggestions: Make sure all words are spelled correctly. Try different keywords. Try more general keywords. Try fewer keywords." Quote 30   0

Jaslyn Go  -  Liberalizing on one hand while prosecuting on the    Fri, 10 Oct 2008 6:10 pm "And so our lawyers cannot comment on the law, our students cannot publish news on the opposition and our activists cannot "promote a cause or campaign." Welcome to modern Singapore." The above is so true.. We have our PM on one hand during his National Day Speech talk about liberalizing laws to allow demonstrations and citizenry participation and encouraging people to speak up..but on the other hand, having AGC slapping SDP's members, activists with 1 charge after another!! Quote 41   0

Tan Tai Wei  -     Fri, 10 Oct 2008 6:44 pm Our "expat" has remained anonymous himself, "afraid in the dark", whilst telling Anna to come out, etc. By Singapore standards, Anna is doing very well already. I know of Singaporeans who don't even dare to log into the SDP website, or to open some things from this website sent to them by email. And "expat"'s fear, that made him to remain anonymous, must be that as non-citizen, he could be treated in like manner as US citizen Gopalan should he divulge his identity. So, "expat" should have some sympathy for Anna. After all, she has dared to tell us part of her name, while "expat" chose to totally remain "afraid in the dark". Quote 26   12

tony  -     Fri, 10 Oct 2008 7:08 pm This is off-topic. Can someone gives the exact quote from MM LKY in Jul 07 to the effect that "Singaporeans are living in a golden age". It has just been reported by AFP that singapore is in a recession technically speaking as the economy contracted consecutively for 2 quarters. Quote 30   0

tueog  -  The List is Longer    Fri, 10 Oct 2008 7:29 pm Hi Jaslyn, The list is longer; Church can only talk about Good & Evil; Members of Clan Societies can only play Majong; Chambers of Commerce can only talk about making money; even Islam a highly politicised religion can only talk about Halal food... Quote 14   2

Anonymous  -     Fri, 10 Oct 2008 7:40 pm Tan Tai Wei you see, you are typical, you look for anything under the sun to grumble or complain or try to make a point or shake a stick at but at the end of the day you have done nothing to gain any ground for your cause. and that is part of the problem. furthermore, step back and think, there is nothing to prove my name here anyway... i could said my name is john martin and you would not have known any better so really, what is your beef? anna could be anna, anna lynn, annabelle, annamarie, and a lot more, so what does that prove? it may prove to you that part of her name is anna, but to me it proves nothing and her name could be mildred for all i know. and that is precisely my point on knowing who we we are and what we stand for. you have just proven the mentality of grumbling, complaining, or trying to prove a point in the kiasu mindset instead of seeing the bigger picture. and this is why this party has a hard time moving forward. it has enough grumblers, complainers, and the like, but what it needs is for singaporeans to come out of the darkness. only then will others follow you into the light. sincerely, john martin so, with no registry, am i john martin? did that do anything for you tan tai wei? do you feel better? this is why it is important for singaporeans in the shadows to see singaporeans in the light. being childish and arguing over spilt milk is precisely the reason why you have daddy and junior running the show. see the bigger picture instead of picking the smallest pixel. with regards to anna, my belief ( i could be wrong) is that she is on the edge but still fearful. likewise, my belief is that many of you are on the edge but fearful. i think it has come to a point where when you step into the light and see others, and more of you, then you will feel safe, you will feel strong, you will feel empowered. you only need to look north to see what coming out into the light can do. Quote 17   3

AnnA  -  More Awareness    Fri, 10 Oct 2008 8:23 pm Thank you Mr Tan Tai Wei. This is the first time I've read your comment regarding someone else and that is me :) I am also about to ask 'Afraid of the dark' the same question about his/her nickname. There isn't any human name in his/her nickname at all. This reminds me of many friends in my younger days on how they had suggested doing something together and I would end up being in 'trouble' alone. Until I grew up realising that they were actually cowards. For what I have seen, SDP has done through action, these are REAL and these real people are BRAVE people. It seems that 'Afraid of the dark' sounded more like my childhood friends who intend to see me get 'run down' by the government. To 'Afraid of the dark', I thank you for your naive advise and no thanks for telling me on behalf of your masters. Tell your masters that I am going to start to tell people to boycott our country's brand as it seems more like the capital used was by us but the price are the same as any other import brands to sell it to us, the citizens. It is not even cheaper. The profits? Goes well into the elites' pockets. I dare say, PAP are sharks. Quote 13   3

Tan Tai Wei  -     Fri, 10 Oct 2008 9:32 pm I take in good faith you are John Martin. John, what you describe as "grumbling", "shake a stick", etc., should rather be seen as the process of scrutinising and conferencing indispensable towards clarifying and establishing the standpoints on which to act and press for political change. Even your own critique of our efforts here could be unsympathetically interpreted as nitpicking if not seen as contributing towards developing a strategy going forward. Obviously, we must "look before we leap", and not have "the blind leading the blind". Quote 10   2

Kim Il Sung  -  good for u    Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:02 pm Hey Chee U finally defraud Ti luk as you did with M Ravi.... Good for u.... U behave properly Quote 1   19

ForeignerPR  -  Re: John Martin    Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:48 pm Well said martin! Quote 4   2

Anonymous  -  John Martin has a valid point    Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:50 pm Instead of listening to his points that Singaporeans themselves need to be the ones to take the first step, come out from the dark, openly join the movement and physically make up the numbers, most readers seem to get upset and defensive. Honestly, many of us remain physically passive not because we can't yet tell the right from the wrong, but because we are still not ready to lose our worldly possessions and material comfort. The element of selfishness is natural and understandable. It's always better if someone else will do it for me. Finally, if John Martin has chosen to remain anonymous in stating his opinions as an expatriate, that's because Singapore is after all not his country to fight for himself and his fellow citizens. Quote 7   2

Tan Tai Wei  -     Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:31 pm By the rules of democracy, the elected "people's representatives" lead, make and administer the law. Citizens' participation is at most to continually scrutinise and, if need be, make their objections, and appeals for change, heard. Then leaders would have to remain leaders, and do the ultimate deciding, of course, after heeding, but not necessarily agreeing to criticisms. Should the citizenry be not satisfied, and if there were general dissatisfaction that warrants it, the people could press for a peaceful change of regime at general elections. Only under extreme circumstances should there be the sort of "activism" that flouts the law to force changes, rather than take full advantage of a key important provision of democracy, ie. enabling peaceful political changes via the vote. So in the normal process of democracy, just to have our views stated, such as putting them up here for public dialogue and government monitoring is already to participate and "act". It is the rulers who have been mandated to do the acting, should the need arise after due heed and deliberation. Quote 7   2

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