Singapore Democrats

Just don't forget to make them imagine to put themselves in as Singaporean. This will be most effective to put the words across. How their soul will not accept what we have been through, done by that despicable old man... the feeling of being cheated and caged.

May God Bless Us All And Allow All Possible Help We Can Get From Around The World To End Our Misery In Singapore And Put A Stop On Those Ridiculous Bullies.

Keep it going, SDP!

[color=red][b]Very very Pro Active SDP/Mr Chia Ti Lik!

At least you are travelling for a purpose despite the fact that your trip is not tax paid by citizens!

Unlike our Papees who travel frivolously!

Well Done Mr Chia and keep it up![/b][/color]

anna, when will you learn that other countries will not give a hoot about singapore until singaporeans have the will to walk through the fire on their own.

please, as an expat in singapore i am actually quite sickened that you would ask my home country for help when it is utterly obvious people here will not help themselves. harsh words but please hear me out.

i am at a belief that this website needs to have posters register their names and addresses and have it verified within the sdp so that if you want to speak up here, you must be willing to stand up and be counted. otherwise you look like weaklings hiding behind the Internet and grumbling till kingdom come.

i've said this before, i am on the side of right, and that is the side of the sdp. however, i am also both an idealist and a realist and for your ideals to come forward, the reality is singaporeans must come forward.

anna, look at the big picture. if you think, or if anyone thinks a government is going to put pressure on this government and risk diplomacy, policy, etc., when the singaporeans are basically showing the world they have no interest in change, you have got it backwards.

governments will not get involved unless it is shown that something catastrophic, inhumane, or a real change that is coming in order to align themselves with the change. and when i say inhumane, i am talking about things on the order of killings in the streets.

ngo's, they hold no clout with your government. there is nothing they can do to force a change. so the reality is as always, change starts with you the individual. until you walk the streets, break unjust laws, protest, and make sacrifices that may or may not hurt you financially or socially, call on yourself before you call on others.

my advice to sdp, have people register here so that every singaporean, yes, including yew know who and ISA and everyone else will see that there are real people. singaporeans are followers, everyone knows that. until followers have others to follow, they will not move and remain behind the shadows of the Internet forever in fear to step out into the light. at the end of the day, if you do not wish for the world to know who you are, then it means your fears still conquer you and you are not prepared to make the sacrifices to overcome.


there is a saying, it goes something like this:

"walk on the left side of the road, you'll be safe. walk on the right side of the road, you'll be safe. walk in the middle and you'll get run over."


i am on your side but when you grumble and do nothing or when a nation grumbles and does noting, you are walking in the middle of the road and the pap will just keep running you over.

in other words, until you and everyone else commits you will never be safe. stand up, be counted, come into the light, make the commitment, and take the task head on including the sacrifices. sdp, i think it is time to lead your people off the middle of the road and guide them to safety. and for now, safety is in the form of numbers...you need to know who has the passion, the will, the determination, the fire to move forward, and you need to know who will remain in the middle of the road. GN had it right when he changed his policy on his blog from everyone posting to only registered people posting. I thought he would shut out people's voices by doing this, but instead people saw that there were ordinary folks willing to come out into the light.

I found this in LSS website when I did a search..
[i]"Your search - J B Jeyaretnam - did not match any documents.

Suggestions:
Make sure all words are spelled correctly.
Try different keywords.
Try more general keywords.
Try fewer keywords."[/i]

[color=blue]"And so our lawyers cannot comment on the law, our students cannot publish news on the opposition and our activists cannot "promote a cause or campaign." Welcome to modern Singapore."
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The above is so true..

We have our PM on one hand during his National Day Speech talk about liberalizing laws to allow demonstrations and citizenry participation and encouraging people to speak up..but on the other hand, having AGC slapping SDP's members, activists with 1 charge after another!!

Our "expat" has remained anonymous himself, "afraid in the dark", whilst telling Anna to come out, etc.

By Singapore standards, Anna is doing very well already. I know of Singaporeans who don't even dare to log into the SDP website, or to open some things from this website sent to them by email.

And "expat"'s fear, that made him to remain anonymous, must be that as non-citizen, he could be treated in like manner as US citizen Gopalan should he divulge his identity. So, "expat" should have some sympathy for Anna. After all, she has dared to tell us part of her name, while "expat" chose to totally remain "afraid in the dark".

This is off-topic.
Can someone gives the exact quote from MM LKY in Jul 07 to the effect that "Singaporeans are living in a golden age".
It has just been reported by AFP that singapore is in a recession technically speaking as the economy contracted consecutively for 2 quarters.

Hi Jaslyn,

The list is longer; Church can only talk about Good & Evil; Members of Clan Societies can only play Majong; Chambers of Commerce can only talk about making money; even Islam a highly politicised religion can only talk about Halal food...

Tan Tai Wei

you see, you are typical, you look for anything under the sun to grumble or complain or try to make a point or shake a stick at but at the end of the day you have done nothing to gain any ground for your cause. and that is part of the problem.

furthermore, step back and think, there is nothing to prove my name here anyway... i could said my name is john martin and you would not have known any better so really, what is your beef?

anna could be anna, anna lynn, annabelle, annamarie, and a lot more, so what does that prove? it may prove to you that part of her name is anna, but to me it proves nothing and her name could be mildred for all i know. and that is precisely my point on knowing who we we are and what we stand for. you have just proven the mentality of grumbling, complaining, or trying to prove a point in the kiasu mindset instead of seeing the bigger picture. and this is why this party has a hard time moving forward. it has enough grumblers, complainers, and the like, but what it needs is for singaporeans to come out of the darkness. only then will others follow you into the light.

sincerely,
john martin

so, with no registry, am i john martin? did that do anything for you tan tai wei? do you feel better? this is why it is important for singaporeans in the shadows to see singaporeans in the light. being childish and arguing over spilt milk is precisely the reason why you have daddy and junior running the show. see the bigger picture instead of picking the smallest pixel.

with regards to anna, my belief ( i could be wrong) is that she is on the edge but still fearful. likewise, my belief is that many of you are on the edge but fearful. i think it has come to a point where when you step into the light and see others, and more of you, then you will feel safe, you will feel strong, you will feel empowered. you only need to look north to see what coming out into the light can do.

Thank you Mr Tan Tai Wei. This is the first time I've read your comment regarding someone else and that is me :)

I am also about to ask 'Afraid of the dark' the same question about his/her nickname. There isn't any human name in his/her nickname at all. This reminds me of many friends in my younger days on how they had suggested doing something together and I would end up being in 'trouble' alone. Until I grew up realising that they were actually cowards.

For what I have seen, SDP has done through action, these are REAL and these real people are BRAVE people.

It seems that 'Afraid of the dark' sounded more like my childhood friends who intend to see me get 'run down' by the government.

To 'Afraid of the dark', I thank you for your naive advise and no thanks for telling me on behalf of your masters.

Tell your masters that I am going to start to tell people to boycott our country's brand as it seems more like the capital used was by us but the price are the same as any other import brands to sell it to us, the citizens. It is not even cheaper. The profits? Goes well into the elites' pockets.

I dare say, PAP are sharks.

I take in good faith you are John Martin.

John, what you describe as "grumbling", "shake a stick", etc., should rather be seen as the process of scrutinising and conferencing indispensable towards clarifying and establishing the standpoints on which to act and press for political change.

Even your own critique of our efforts here could be unsympathetically interpreted as nitpicking if not seen as contributing towards developing a strategy going forward.

Obviously, we must "look before we leap", and not have "the blind leading the blind".

Hey Chee
U finally defraud Ti luk as you did with M Ravi....
Good for u....
U behave properly

Well said martin!

Instead of listening to his points that Singaporeans themselves need to be the ones to take the first step, come out from the dark, openly join the movement and physically make up the numbers, most readers seem to get upset and defensive.

Honestly, many of us remain physically passive not because we can't yet tell the right from the wrong, but because we are still not ready to lose our worldly possessions and material comfort.

The element of selfishness is natural and understandable. It's always better if someone else will do it for me.

Finally, if John Martin has chosen to remain anonymous in stating his opinions as an expatriate, that's because Singapore is after all not his country to fight for himself and his fellow citizens.

By the rules of democracy, the elected "people's representatives" lead, make and administer the law. Citizens' participation is at most to continually scrutinise and, if need be, make their objections, and appeals for change, heard. Then leaders would have to remain leaders, and do the ultimate deciding, of course, after heeding, but not necessarily agreeing to criticisms.

Should the citizenry be not satisfied, and if there were general dissatisfaction that warrants it, the people could press for a peaceful change of regime at general elections.

Only under extreme circumstances should there be the sort of "activism" that flouts the law to force changes, rather than take full advantage of a key important provision of democracy, ie. enabling peaceful political changes via the vote.

So in the normal process of democracy, just to have our views stated, such as putting them up here for public dialogue and government monitoring is already to participate and "act". It is the rulers who have been mandated to do the acting, should the need arise after due heed and deliberation.

My attitude towards the PAP Government is one of animosity, dislike, antagonism, disapproval, disgust, hostility, loathing, repugnance, antipathy, aversion, detestation, disapprobation, displeasure, enmity and distaste! Why?

Because the PAP Government is disingenuous, cunning, deceitful, insidious, shifty, duplicitous, dishonest, devious, insincere, guileful, two-faced and wily.

But I am seldom disheartened, crestfallen, crushed, daunted, dejected, depressed, disappointed, deterred, wearied, frightened, discouraged, dispirited, dampened, downhearted or dismayed! That's the truth!

I've the heart, mind, soul and body of a champion! It will be soon on historical records.

The purpose of my political writing is to chasten, admonish, castigate, chastise, correct, curb, discipline, subdue, tame, repress, upbraid, scold, censure, humble, humiliate, reprove, soften, punish and berate the PAP Government!

From now onwards, I will be parachuting across the wide open blue sky!

On one hand, Mr John Martin suggestions may sound solid but on the other hand it can also be seen as asking people to queue up on a straight line and let an exterminator to spree his bullet freely.

By the way, Mr John Martin's suggestion had already been done by Dr Chee Soon Juan which had left his character being assasinated by LKY and son via media. The make believe story of Dr Chee acting as a clown was accepted blindly by most Shit Times believers. It is better to deal with the tyrant in a different way, a strategical way that will backfire his whole platoon.

So, Mr Martin, I would say again to you thank you for your suggestion but no, I won't heed your advise to put my head on the platform so that my enemy can easily chop off my head. I must tell you that your suggestion would be a naive one when you already know how the dictator has acted towards all dissidents of his unjust law.

Yes, many has step forward. The evidence are there for you to see on how Dr Chee and our late Sir JB Jeyaratnam actively pursuing for freedom of speech and human rights. Awareness is also setting in among Singaporean especially when the govt. is increasing anything none stop. I must tell you that, those increment on taxes or so on is the 'gun' to point it back to it's owner. All we have to do is to twist the wrist and point it back to the one that is holding it.

[b]"The evidence are there for you to see on how Dr Chee and our late [color=red]Sir JB Jeyaratnam[/color] actively pursuing for freedom of speech and human"[/b]

Since when was JBJ knighted as Sir ? Must be my brain fart, I guess.

Dr Chee's new book is selling well at Kino/Taka. I saw 20 copies in early morning and by 2pm when I returned only 3 copies left. My prediction is that this book will be the best-seller of all Chee's books.
Be afraid, all MIWs, be very afraid.......

I read Afraid of the dark's comments and Tan TAi Wei's and I agree to what both of it. Ti Lik can, at the most, get a lot of good advices and tipps in London but I dun think that Britan will come and tell Lee to change his ways directly, like 'Yo Lee, why you so like that? Relax a bit lah` Lee:'Ok lah ok lah' But what Ti Lik is doing has my support. Afraid of the dark is right, we need to participate actively. So the next time there's TBT, a protest in Hong Lim, we should all turn up in the hundreds. And sacrifices means even the little ones like postponing a date, movies, naps, my Winning 11 sessions etc to make my way down to these occasions. We must also show the government that we are serious but pose no violence in any way. Trouble makers are not welcomed.

"By the way, Mr John Martin's suggestion had already been done by Dr Chee Soon Juan which had left his character being assasinated by LKY and son via media."

John Martin should understand that in Singapore, it is not only the government and LKY that will demean anyone who is in opposition camp but also those around that person etc close friend, relative with majority been brainwashed by propaganda of the state. To kill someone's on borrowed knife, and most often gov don't have to deal with the person, those around the person will deal with him.

Backstabbing by supporting for opp party is a common in office, in school and everywhere.

Freedom House:

“Citizens of Singapore cannot change their government democratically."

Talking about the mentality or should I say the rationalisation of the ruled.

A society of sheep beget a government of wolves. - Bertrand de Jouvenel

What Cia Ti Lik is doing is good. What CSJ is doing is good. Talking here is good. However the ONLY way all of these can be tied together to work together is when you stand up for yourself as a citizen.

I knew I would have people who agreed with me and people who did not. I expected this. The point is this is not about me. This is about Chia Ti Lik standing up for a cause and doing something. This is about Dr. Chee and SDP standing up for a cause and doing something. This is about JBJ who served out his life standing up for the same. And more importantly, this about you, the Singaporean. All of these men and others have stood up for you while you sat by and watched these men sacrifice it all for all of you. Yet, you still are afraid to be counted. How do you expect these men to make any gains for you if you are not there?

Is it any wonder why none of these men including, rest his soul and with respect, why men like JBJ could not do much because the people he gave his life for would not even give an hour or two to show up at a protest or to even vote when needed the most? And I, a foreigner, see it is happening again with Dr. Chee. If you want something like rights and freedoms and liberties you have to get it on your own accord brother to brother. Tell me what country has ever gotten any of those virtues for free?

This is what coming into the light is all about. It is about being counted. It is about saying I am real, not a "cyber person." It is about showing a face to the pap, the sdp, wp, to your neighbour, to Singapore, and to those who are at the forefront of the cause. It is about showing the world that Singaporeans in bunches are serious about a cause; enough to come out of their home or behind a computer as opposed to being a "virtual voice."

People, as one poster had noted before, JBJ is dead, Dr. Chee could have a mishap tomorrow and be gone as well. Who then would you follow if not follow your heart and why do you think LKY's death would change anything in your favour? Anna, my master is my God, and myself (after my wife). However in Singapore it seems the master is LKY. You cannot let the work of JBJ, Dr. Chee and Chia Ti Lik and others go in vain. This is worse then throwing them in jail and throwing away the key. This is why you must come into the light. GN tried to get you into the light, and he now sits in jail. Did "cybersupport" help him? Cybersupport can only go so far. Where were you if you felt judge Ang did Singapore wrong...typing the keyboard?

Singapore is equal to the rest of the world but the only ones who don't see it, are Singaporeans who live in fear. And this fear enables one man or one party to control them... enough so, that people will not even be counted. Where is your shame, where is your pride, where is your dignity?

To anonymous, you are right, this is not my fight. But I will be damned if it turns into a fight for my child to take on.

I expect negative comments, and that is fine.
However, I wish you all the best. The world does care, but you have show the world just how much do YOU really care... and sitting behind a computer does not cut it. Imagine if all the protesters in Malaysia simply posted something in a forum and only 18 physically showed up. Sounds pretty funny, but don't laugh too hard because this is what is happening here. Do you honestly think the change would have happened. No way. So how do you think change can possibly happen in Singapore? They (Malaysians) chose to stand up and be counted. They found their safety in numbers and they collectively made a difference by coming into the light and out of the fear of darkness.

I pray all of you will find the strength and apologies for such a long post.

[quote=AnnA][b]"The evidence are there for you to see on how Dr Chee and our late [color=red]Sir JB Jeyaratnam[/color] actively pursuing for freedom of speech and human"[/b]

Since when was JBJ knighted as Sir ? Must be my brain fart, I guess.[/quote]

Yes, knighted in my heart. To be respected always.

[size=small][color=blue]I thought J B Jeyaretname is the father of ex-president of LSS, Philip Jeyaretnam???

Not mentioned at all?
Unbelievable!

No condolence sent to ex-president for his father's death? My GOD![/color][size=medium][/size][/size][size=medium][/size]

To : Ah Beng

Agree with you. Let not 'After all is said and done, more will be said than done', but instead let our actions speak louder than words.

How can we demand change when all we do is to comment, comment and more comments!!!! Instead we should overcome the 'fear' in us and step forward to participate in SDP 'Non-Violence' campaigns.

I mentioned in my previous post that we do not wish to 'overthrow' the PAP for we (supporters of SDP) do not have an Army, State Media, ISD, Police and what have you. For all these states machineries aren't meant to be used by the PAP to suppress S'poreans at their whims and fancies.

All we have is to arm our conscience and tell the PAP that enough is enough. Return our rights back to us for it is guaranteed under our Constitution and stop ALL YOUR BULLYING TACTICS.

The next time when SDP organises talks, speech in Hong Lim or the on-going TBT campaign, let us muster our courage and support SDP through our words, presence and gifts.

Ah Beng, btw, I have attended many of SDP Campaigns since 1996. And believe me, Dr Chee is one man besides the late JBJ, that LKY is afraid.

Dr Chee to LKY : Out with the TRUTH! Nothing but the TRUTH.

LKY to Dr Chee : Can you handle the TRUTH?

Dr Chee to LKY : We are ENTITLED nothing but the TRUTH!

What really differentiates bewteen SDP and the other opposition in singapore is SDP has no back-bone, you are too much too rely on foreigners!! These do not work well with Singaporean. Can foreigner helps you when Singapore collapse?

Its time you guys learn to eumulate WP/SPP...etc. Don't waste your time, to dsicredit your Mother Land!

Nice comeback AnnA! :D




Anw why be suicidal when one must live to fight another day?

Mr/Ms Victor mc,

Who too rely on Foreignners? May b u need to be reminded:

a Who allowed foreigners to become Ministers and MPs??
b Who rely on foreigners to win Medals??
c Who rely on foreigners to work in our shops, offices, factories??
d Who rely on foreigners to serve in Board of Temasek and GLC e.g. DBS, Neptune, Starhub, M1...
e The list is endless...

Can you state spceifically how did SDB rely on foreigners... lay down the facts...

Oh and Victor. What the F*ck is SPP? Sengkang Police Post?

[quote=Husrin]Anw why be suicidal when one must live to fight another day?[/quote]

Are you sure you are SDP supporter?

You sound exactly like NSP's Goh Meng Seng...and some other so-called opposition politicians.

I bet LSS will send condolence when the old man pass away.Lawyers can't talk about law,then better be road sweeper.Nia mah !!Tak Boleh Tahan

You think I support WP?



Wait that's not the point.


You see ah.



Under this repressive gahmen ah.



Wanna be brave can.



But right.


Must use otak also.



Becos.


If kena jail by ISA.



Quite hard to do anything rite?




Ah.


Look at malaysia.


case in point.



I don't even f*cking respect the WP or SDA or whatever boneless shit.




So ah.

[quote=absentminded]Mr/Ms Victor mc,

Who too rely on Foreignners? May b u need to be reminded:

a Who allowed foreigners to become Ministers and MPs??
b Who rely on foreigners to win Medals??
c Who rely on foreigners to work in our shops, offices, factories??
d Who rely on foreigners to serve in Board of Temasek and GLC e.g. DBS, Neptune, Starhub, M1...
e The list is endless...

Can you state spceifically how did SDB rely on foreigners... lay down the facts...[/quote]Yo, you spoke for us. Good one. This guy must kena hamtam.

Mr/Ms Victor mc,

Hi where r u? I am still waiting for your reply.....

Dear Mr Martin,

Well said. You point out some very pertinent facts. Sadly even though key points were brought up, it has been overlooked without the understanding of the depth of your message. It is clear that the big picture is not viewed and only the smallest pixel is picked. Hence the reason why we are not moving ahead. This is how we get sidetracked.

I agree that that unless singaporeans are basically showing the world they have no interest in change, no government in the world can help in anyway. It starts from us. We have to look at the big picture. Arguing for the sake of arguing and being defensive does not help in anyway at all. At least the argument should be productive where we can learn from.

I agree that SDP should have the people to register here. I doubt that Anna was fearful. If the blog requires a person to register, i'm sure she would have. We really can't assume that when someone chooses to remain anonymous means that they are fearful. Option is given for us to opt for that but then again if it requires registration, those who wants their voices to be heard would surely sign up.

However, I do kindly request for most of the readers to understand the depth of Mr Martin's comment. We have to come forward in peace.