Singapore Democrats

I was just telling my mom earlier that I thought elections must be coming, probably mid to end next year, judging by the newly lowered, albeit temporarily, ERP rates and newfound concern for the cleaners in the news. Plus the to-be-announced in February what measures they're taking to help us through this economic crisis (if I remember right).

Would it be terribly crass to take bets on when the next election will be?

Those cowards..

I put my faith that if a snap election ever crystalises SDP will slam the PAP real hard for the failed policies.

Just don't let PAP escape more blame by having early election. It is a sly fox party.

SDP must be on the guard.

[quote=How cynical]I was just telling my mom earlier that I thought elections must be coming, probably mid to end next year, judging by the newly lowered, albeit temporarily, ERP rates and newfound concern for the cleaners in the news. Plus the to-be-announced in February what measures they're taking to help us through this economic crisis (if I remember right).

Would it be terribly crass to take bets on when the next election will be?[/quote]

My first reaction was actually laughter... almost hysterical. Now on reflection, it's just really really sad that my first thought is that any good action = elections coming soon. Wouldn't you agree?

There is always a price to be paid for what we want. The question to ask is not how much, but is it worth paying? Is it worth paying in sacrifices now, in the hopes of a better future, if not for yourself, then for your children?

I hope that one day, I will be able to look back upon this, and it is the reaction of cynicism and hysterical laughter that will be deemed ridiculous.
With your help, with everyone's help, we can work towards this day.

Unspeakable behaviours.

If there is an opposition party, I vote opposition

Dr Chee and SDP,
You are damn smart. You know why they have to go for early snap election ?
Because the old fart probably couldn't make it in time for 2011 election. Needless to say, MM has been the deciding factor and main cast role in all electios. Just look at last election. Didn't it is MM who make the final says and MSM focus on James Gomez's issue ? The clowns only rely on MM to resolve issues and crisis, the MM do nothing but give a final verdict and summary judgment to whatever thing benefit the party. By going for snap election before old fart pass away is the most sensitive thing to do to keep the those clowns happy, safe and complacent.

It means that LKY will be gone in 5 years.

For all it is worth, I think PAP will be a stronger party after LKY as the some of the ministers will be able to do the right thing for the people.

If this is true, SDP must work harder to field strong candidates.

I met Mdm Ng, F/66, at the Hong Lim Park on 1 Nov 08 before she took the stage to slam-bang DBS for short-changing her of abt $22,000 "promised" interest over 5 yrs. She had deposited $100k in DBS StarTrek bond for 5 yrs at a supposedly interest rate of 5% pa or 25% for 5 yrs.Instead, after 5 yrs, all she got was $2,800 interest or roughly 0.5% p.a. interest.
After swearing and cursing DBS which she called the Govt Bank, she asked me " You know when the next GE will be?" I replied probably in 2011 or even 2010.
She continued " My whole family about 6 adults have been voting PAP time and time again. This time we will NOT do so, but will vote for the Opposition whoever they may be. I am so furious and angry that they dared to CHEAT me of so much money ($22k)!."
There you go PAP.....6 votes down the drain from these former loyal PAP supporters! Bad luck!
PS GIC and Temasek investments going down the drain rapidly? Better get the mandate for the next 5 years b4 the horrible news leak out next year?

[b]In case old man kicks the can![/b]

it does not make sense to call for one now as sentiments seems negative..uncles auntys still unhappy over lehman debacle, prices are still quite high, singapore heading for recession...unless..unless...they see over the horizon and thinks that economy will get worse in 1-2 years time...by then the economic malaise will be in full bloom - retrenchments, pay cut, cpf cut etc.....so election may actually be on the cards...probably middle of next year..

i think they will use the time tested catchphrase...

"Give us a strong mandate so that we can help Singapore overcome this economic crisis."

I wonder who in SDP can contest the elections given the criminal records of it members. So elections or no elections doesn't matter to SDP. Why bother?

Now it seem to make sense. Last Sunday my MP came for house visit. Wow, I told them I hardly see them in the last 10 years. Ask me any complaint, I say you know electric bill going up by 20+ percent and stop short because I know there is nothing much he can do about it. I highlighted my dripping pipe which one of his guy has took down but till today never get back. Election next year could be a 2 way sword. Next year helping Company, how about Citizen?

I am very surprised that the PAP will do that. They are certain to lose a lot of votes. They seem to think that if they wait till 2010 or 2011 they'll do worse. So it's between a rock and a hard place for them.

Like getting votes dishonestly by handing out irrelevant incentives such as fast upgrading of flats, holding "snap" elections way before they are due, just so as to avoid losing votes when the economic downturn takes its full toll (assuming SDP's speculation on this is true), is unbecoming of a governing party that makes claims to integrity and incorruptibility.

By the rules of democracy, you have been elected to manage for a four or five year term. You therefore have the obligation to fulfill your electioneering promise to remain to do the job during the full term.

Depending on your performance over the full period, good or bad times inclusive, the people can then, and only then, really decide whether you deserve to have your mandate to rule renewed for another full term at the next election.


Should you pick and choose only conducive times to hold the next election, you act like naughty schoolboys cheating at exams by "spotting questions", thus depriving your examiners of the chance to really assess your overall performance as sampled at a fair examination.

For sure the first thing they will do if not already done, is to cut and paste parts of Aljunied GRC. All those Precincts which overwhemingly voted for WP in 2006 will be cutoff and pushed to the next safe GRC likely walkover. All those precincts which voted most for PAP aka LKY will be retained and parts of friendly neighboring GRCs will be pushed to join up with the rest of Aljunied GRC!That way they can be assured AGRC will remain PAP.
They have no shame and have pachyderm skin but this is a matter of life and death for them. Desperate people do desperate things.

I live in serangoon and my MP was doing a house visit... can't even be bothered.
Lee now suddenly start "caring"? LOL

Opposition's turf will quickly become PAP's turf. Face the fact..they love to alter the goal-post (no innuendo here).

I guess PAP is peeing (or will be peeing) in their white pants..things will get really, really bad in 2011.

1) More young voters will be eligible in 2011 - they tend to vote for opps.
2) Unemployment will shoot up - banks not hiring but retrenching, manufacturing next to go, casino is still an uncertainty
3) Tourism. Down, down, down.
3) Recession could be long and painful...(what happened to our million-dollar cabinet?)

Recent court cases against opposition are attracting attention from the public (who believes in justice). GE is a good platform for PAP to voice their thoughts, blah, blah, blah. Nice try.

[quote=Anonymous]I wonder who in SDP can contest the elections given the criminal records of it members. So elections or no elections doesn't matter to SDP. Why bother?[/quote]

Yes, vote for SDP to be the next govt to solve all your woes. They have brilliant ideas to lead us to paradise. Oop, sorry, no candidates. How come? Then, who to vote? PAP? Back to where we are, isn't it?

Straits Times report: Groundwork for GE starts

Read here - http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_301336.html

it party time . time to vote PAP out !!!!

[quote]There are rumours floating around that the PAP may call for a snap election. A few of SDP's friends have told us that some of their civil service friends have received letters asking them to undergo training as election officials.[/quote]

Don't know where or how above article's writer got to get wind of this - in dreams? -
but please, do please use of some of that cerebral faculty before dishing out such ... such ... NONSENSE.

I mean, I'm all in favor of one snap election right now.

Do you really think the PAPpies are THAT DUMB??? Or that Lee Kuan Yew has REALLY gone mad???!

It's POLITICAL SUICIDE, you dweeb! As good as Lee Kuan Yew committing [size=large][i]seppuku[/i][/size] - and taking along all three generations of his family with him!!!

Please - WRITE SOMETHING REAL - visitors and comment contributors to this this website may be garang, BUT WE AIN'T STUPID - so don't please MAKE FUN of our intelligence, whatever little IQ we Singaporeans still possess.

Thank you, Mr/Mdm/Ms Writer.

PS - If you still continue to suffer from insomnia or have hallucinations, please free free to drop by my free clinic/Eu Yan Sang HQ anytime 24/7. I will be glad-der than glad to give you prescriptions FOC. God bless you, my poor dear thing.

[quote]I am very surprised that the PAP will do that. They are certain to lose a lot of votes. They seem to think that if they wait till 2010 or 2011 they'll do worse. So it's between a rock and a hard place for them [/quote]

... they have many WMDs they can call upon for use if and when five years are up and the economy is still in the doldrums and they think they can't do it anymore.

First, they could declare state of emergency;

Two, martial law a la Chiang Kai Shek;

Three, ISA - round up every NON-PAP nominee/party member/human beings/creatures big and small within 300m of Elections Department on Nomination day and dump them out into South China Sea;

Four, anything else you can imagine - they can do it - and everything else you haven't or couldn't even dream up of!

My vote is with the Opposition! Never mind the experience. Everyone deserves a chance.

SDP should start some basic preparations to mobilize resources for an election campaign.

You guys have done so many things to change our society for the better.

You come my GRC(jurong), I confirm pyscho my whole family and friends vote you!

like the sdp ever cared for real about elections?

you have a working ground machinery, at all?

you have a grassroots presence, at all?

you have mobilizers on the ground, at all?

you've been providing constituency services since the last elections (or before, or ever, for tt matter), at all?

you've carefully selected and cultivated a group of possible candidates, at all?

NO. so why speculate? elections will be the last thing on your mind... a foreigners gathering debating about human rights would be, since u r no more a political party than iran is a democratic state. you are an activist group, a human rights commentator of sorts. a political party actually has VOTERS' SUPPORT and have REAL POLITICIANS, elected representatives of the people.

pray tell, who of you are such?

[u]By the rules of democracy, you have been elected to manage for a four or five year term. You therefore have the obligation to fulfill your electioneering promise to remain to do the job during the full term. [/u]

[size=large]... with your fairly OK English, one might be misled into thinking you are one well-read person, or at least knowledgeable enough.

What full term you tokking cock about???

Do you know your system is based on the British parliamentary system? That system, you Unread, Unlearned One, allows for the ruling party to call for an election ANY TIME during its term of office
- heck, even the very next day after your Party has won power (example scenario: when LKY discovers Rajaretnam & Keng Swee has ganged up to wrest power from him, to unseat him)!

And say, even if you don't read or know enough, at least you are aware of the recent Malaysian GE, yes?

Well, that's an example of a snap election in the true British parliamentary system tradition, you sotong!!!

You are nothing but a typical Singaporean faithfully churned out by the PAP's education - master of grammar, a spelling bee, et al, BUT A MAJOR FAILURE AT THE MOST GENERAL OF GENERAL KNOWLEDGE!

And stop being the lead blind - leading your fellow blind Singaporeans, OFF THE CLIFF, PLEEEASE! Just like those cabbies, kopitiam kakis, pusat-kahs, etc going round scaring others into voting PAP because "the ballot papers are numbered and marked and therefore your vote can be traced back to you!"

WA KAOZ! Go back inside your room, Tai Wei!![/size]

[quote]you are an activist group, a human rights commentator of sorts. a political party actually has VOTERS' SUPPORT and have REAL POLITICIANS, elected representatives of the people.[/quote]


So right, so true.

Political parties are passe, except for wanting to take power, rule a country with ITS VISION.

But for change in a society, you do not have to even go into politics, i.e. fight elections - those are for people with sinister agendae.

You can remain the 'activists' that they call you
- because in whatever name and whatever form, you know yourselves you want change because Singaporeans want change, and you hope to be able to facilitate such change.

Because you love this place - I don't even want to call it 'SINGAPORE' or give it any name; I just call this place 'MY HOME'.

[quote]You should have spend more time looking at AIG singapore's balance sheet.[/quote]

My balance sheet says I have assets and cash to the worth of trillions and am CERTIFIED NO LESS BY, SAY, THE BIG THREE, to be financially sound and credit-worthy, and maybe time-stamped 3 mins ago.

DOES THAT MAKE ME, MOIS, "FINANCIALLY SOUND", THAT I WON'T DEFAULT, I WON'T RUN AWAY WITH ANY FUNDS, NOT DRAWN DOWN IN THE INTERIM TWO MINUTES???

Heck, since when do balance sheets tell you the whole story? You mean it's an attestment of personal or corporate integrity and soundness and trustworthiness??? Or maybe I don't know, balance sheets have lately become a sort of CHARACTER ASSESSMENT REPORT???


Hahhahahahaha, JASON TEO, you are another dumbass Singaporean that is no wonder many of you get conned once you step out of your little red dot, ahahahahaha, no wonder there are those aunties and ah peks still crying foul to this day at hong Lim Park, hahahahahhahaha.

THE WORLD IS NOT THE KINDERGARTEN OR NURSERY THAT YOU SINGAPOREANS THINK YOU LIVE IN!

[quote]Yes, vote for SDP to be the next govt to solve all your woes. They have brilliant ideas to lead us to paradise. Oop, sorry, no candidates. How come? Then, who to vote? PAP? Back to where we are, isn't it?[/quote]


There's such a thing called 'spoiling your vote'.

Never heard of it? Don't know how to go about it?

There you have it! Singaporeans across all ages either don't know (old, illiterate) or haven't done enough voting to know how (young, literate but grossly un-read, un-knowledgeable or grossly incapacitated in the thought process department).

[quote]getting votes dishonestly by handing out irrelevant incentives such as fast upgrading of flats[/quote]

Do you guys have to sign any undertaking when accepting such sweeteners to vote for them? Or did those acceptance letters come with ballot papers on which they will witness you marking a cross against their party to signal your vote for them???

No?

Then why say they "dishonestly" stole Singaporeans' votes???

It's you - you and your fellow countrymen who are dumb enough to equate government/public monies as PAP's!

So, please, blame no one but yourselves, you stupid Singaporeans who ought to go run off the edge of a cliff, no, off the edge of the ROOF OF YOUR NEWLY UPGRADED BLOCK OF PIGEON HOLES!

[quote]If this is true, SDP must work harder to field strong candidates.[/quote]

What candidates???

The most qualified ones are either bankrupt - ineligible for nomination - or are going to jail.

Will you please stop treating SDP as a political vehicle anymore, please?

SDP has transformed, no longer interested in fighting elections
- which cannot conceivably be won by other than PAP bar major 'mishaps' like the sudden deaths of ALL PAP cadres.

It has started the ball rolling for change - change in how we look at ourselves, change in what we want to become.

So please stop urging SDP folks to go fight meaningless elections, okay?

Unless of course Ah Juan and Ah Chin think otherwise, disagree with me, go find the millions to settle defamation suits et al, join the elections as candidates, then I will, in colloquial-speak, be LAN-LAN, shut my trap and let them be.

BUT IF YOU DO, YOU EILL BE AS MORALLY CORRUPT AS THE LEES - FOR WHERE THE HELL WOULD YOU FIND THE AVENUES TO LAY YOUR HANDS ON THOSE MILLIONS TO 'CLEAR YOUR CHARGES'???

That, my friends, will be what Singaporeans will be pondering about - and when they do, you ae as good as having been voted out.

Better stay the way you are now. Come GEs, conduct more campaigns like TBT, protest marches, etc - be part of Reform Party's campaign too.

God bless Singapore. And its dumb citizens - it is oft-said: "GUNG GUNG JIAK TEEGONG", yes?

Easy.

When there is a seeming relative peace and quiet on the local economic front - no news of retrenchments, for example.

Because that's just how PAP machinery works.

PAPpies will go round suppressing businesses' urges to retrench workers, hold steady the ship, so to speak.

During the calm, they will
- through the Budget, even off-Budget - announce all sorts of 'goodies' (GST Rebates lah, what Growth Dividends lah, next one will be called Past Years Reserves' Returns' Sharepie?, etc, etc) that they can easily wrest back from you in less than 6 months after they are re-elected.

And then after being returned to power?

Yesh, yesh, u r all so cleber wan - PAP is gonna let loose the floodgates!

ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE as businesses 'right-size' - such a nice-sounding phrase, don't you think? Hehehe.

[quote]Should you pick and choose only conducive times to hold the next election, you act like naughty schoolboys cheating at exams by "spotting questions", thus depriving your examiners of the chance to really assess your overall performance as sampled at a fair examination.[/quote]

I agree wholeheartedly with Brother Wei Da about this Tan Tai Wei.

Look at what he has written - despite his OK-Ok English - on his comment??!

Hey, I made it all the way into the anks of scholars purely by "spotting" the right questions
- man, you'll be dead by the time you meticulously go through every chapter and verse of your O and A level bibles, you dumb-and-dumber thing of a Tan Tai Wei -
and returning to examiners with practised, refined and immaculate answers.

NOW, WHAT's WRONG WITH THAT - HAVING THE IQ AND DAMN fu**ing GOOD BLESSED LUCK TO SPOT THE RIGHT Q&As???

At least I'm now comfortable in my $16.88k-a-month GIC chair.

Are you?

Where got election? This time you have to write down your tel no on the slip so they know who's who. Don't get excited by this news, it's just another trick, another brick, same old shit.

Hey S'pore, there was never ever an election in this land. No one ever voted. The whole thing was staged. And there will never ever be an election. If one did took place, why is this place like that? We are in a matrix. The neighbours are spies, your friends are fake and they work for ISA. Even your parents the secret police in disguise. How's that for a story? Maybe it's true, who knows?

[quote]ah beng - total nonsense Fri, 14 Nov 2008 4:34 am

Where got election? This time you have to write down your tel no on the slip so they know who's who. Don't get excited by this news, it's just another trick, another brick, same old shit. [/quote]


[quote]ah beng - S'pore is an illusion, it doesn't exists Fri, 14 Nov 2008 4:48 am

Hey S'pore, there was never ever an election in this land. No one ever voted. The whole thing was staged. And there will never ever be an election. If one did took place, why is this place like that? We are in a matrix. The neighbours are spies, your friends are fake and they work for ISA. Even your parents the secret police in disguise. How's that for a story? Maybe it's true, who knows?
[/quote]


Which is why I have said, when Ah Juan first appeared on the local 'political' scene
- there's none actually; especially now that Joshua has left us -
that his style of politics won't work.

Too similar to PAP's - graduate, post-graduate, doctoral, scholar, eloquent, great pensmanship - everything you can find in a designated PAP candidate.

LKY recruited those PAPpies, remember? So he knows how to deal with the likes of Juan.

What is SORELY needed in the Opposition - let's forget the WP, ok? - is STREET POLITICS!

Someone like Brother ah beng here will do very nicely indeed - although he's not a real beng like that pock-marked Mark Lee; beng here is actually scholar-dressed-in-gangster-rags, heheh.

And to this end, Juan and Chin and the rest of the TBT18 - minus Chicken Jay Balls-less, of course - are AT LAST DOING RIGHT, by taking issues of the day to the street.

Keep doing that - work on your street politics, leave the 'decent, gentleman' parliamentary politics to bengs like, well, ah beng loh!


"Football (soccer) is a gentleman's game played by hooligans, rugby a hooligan's game played by gentlemen."
Lim Peh, November 14, 2008

[b][/b][color=lime][/color]Some PRs who have become citizens will vote for the PAP.

i can't stand the recent PM speech of early budget annoucement.

talking cock again!

Don't be easily taken in by what the PAP claim they should have full support from singaporeans to win investers' confidence in singapore. It is all bull shits. If PAP losing more seatings in the eLection, PAP will become wiser and more voices from opposition can help singaporeans.Till then PAP will not be exploit Singaporeans but to think carefully before they act .Just like an organisation which how the PAP work, if all the subordinates begin to defy order from their boss, the boss will feel threatened as nobody listen to him and he/she won't go overboard .Singapore is like an MNC management , we should behave like one when voting for PAP

Pap will lose 20 seats if election is held now