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LHL should "check-mate" overthrow his father - LKY unsound theory that prove to be incorrect about Singaporean.

In doing so, he "LHL" is expecting a promising reward from voters in the next GE.

Singaporean have lost confident and no longer wish to accept whatsoever statement from LKY and/or his Government.

Seriously, damage has been done badly, and it is abit too late to do damage-control.

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I am disappointed with the remark from MM. If he would have been a politician in Australia, his remark would be condemn publicly on national TV. A true government would have provided support to help the local Singaporeans if they do fall back and to apologize on national TV over the wrong policies implemented years ago resulting in the need to allow so many foreigners into Singapore.

It is really sad to see that no one is taking ownership of the problem but AGAIN trying to put the blame on the Singaporean.

Despite having micromanaged the people's lives for half a century, Lee Kuan Yew now admonishes them for "falling behind" aliens who have flooded the place through his deliberate but clandestine immigration policy.

Why do we need these foreigners in such huge numbers, especially from one particular source? Is it for their "talent" or for something else?

Now that these aliens have become new citizens and PRs, LKY feels that he could afford to discard and ignore the true Singaporeans who are increasingly questioning his oppressive and exploitative regime based on greed and corruption. Those who can emigrate have fled from Lee Kuan Yew’s “paradise” but those who can’t are stuck.

In the above interview with National Geographic, one of the reasons that the full-time Knower Of All Things Under The Sun and part-time Visionary Seer Of Distant Futures Lee Kuan Yew cited for the Population-cum-Raise-The-GDP-And-My Income policy was the "hunger" that new immigrants from China have that Singaporeans allegedly don't.

This is yet another example of his unsuitability for office in any First World country.

I do know this hunger he speaks of: it is typical of people coming from newly emergent economies and which moderates to a level of sanity under true First World conditions.

But there is another type of hunger that the Knower... is completely in the dark about and that is First World hunger with a different sets of motivations and rewards; its also an economically sustainable hunger.

Except to the unimaginative Third World government of Singapore.

(I will not elaborate further on this because I don't believe in giving the PAP solutions that they are paid to come up.)

What is now happening is that by opening up the floodgates to unmitigated immigration, the Knower... is also re-creating the same Third World conditions that Singaporeans are supposed to have moved away from.

Is that why Singaporeans worked so hard in the firest place?

When the natives, bumi or the aboriginals of US, Australia, Africa or even China's tribes make such feedback/complaints, their government look into the conditions, their environment, education systems and existence to protect the heritage/culture.

Here in Spore, the MM puts the blame to the natives, as in true bred local born singaporeans.

What a world of difference in accountability and responsibility.

Rulers who solve problems by punishing their own citizens have all known to cause their governments to collapse. There are so many examples in China's history! If coupled together with xenophobia, it is even worse.

Is this one of the things that cause us to fall behind?

http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_471020.html

Dec 27, 2009
NS registration starting soon

NATIONAL service registration for male Singapore citizens and permanent residents born between June 3, 1992 and Sept 6, 1992 will be held between Wednesday and Jan 20.

They can register online at www.ns.sg or personally at the Central Manpower Base (CMPB) podium. Those registering at CMPB must take along their identity cards or birth certificates, educational certificates, citizenship certificates (if any) and any other documents specified in the registration notice.

During registration, they must pick a date between Feb 18 and March 19 for a medical screening and show up between 8am and 1.30pm on the day.

@ quantum if NS causing us to fall behind, who will defend us? if NS causing us to fall behind, you would have no chance to criticise everything under the sun here. if NS causing us to fall behind, SDP would have no place here.

Why LKY needs to apologise for speaking up his mind? Does he not has the rights to speak freely? Come on, don't behave like a pumple child who expecting everything to be perfect.

Is SDP the only opposition party to respond to this statement by LKY? I hope the rest do as well.

Had been feeling disappointed way too long ago and the one that truly makes me regain 'consciouness' was when he blamed us of being complacent during MSK's escapade.

He had done this b4 and will never hesitate to do this again and again, that is, blaming Singaporean.

*&^%$@yew

CSJ is correct to note that “the foreign talent policy is here to stay”. But his deliberately narrow prognosis that the policy will be pursued “no matter how much it hurts the economy, society and, most of all, the people” is misplaced and shortsighted.

Allow me to quote Thomas Friedman (again) : “The more knowledge workers you can attract to your shores, the more successful you will be. As far as America is concerned, I say bring 'em in, and not only the rich, educated entrepreneurs. I would never turn back a single Haitian boat person. Anyone who has the smarts and energy to build a raft out of milk cartons and then sail across the Atlantic to America's shores is someone I want as a new immigrant.”

I don't expect to see Haitians beaching themselves on the East Coast Park in their dingy rafts made out of milk cartons any time soon. What we have, whether through the mistake of an over-extended population control measure, or via a natural process of low reproduction brought about by a maturing society, is a second wave of immigration that has unsettled the incumbents. With this article, SDP is simple playing up the xenophobia rather than proposing any sensible strategy to move forward.

The government needs to exert a tighter control over who comes in. Immigrants should NOT be brought solely for their “reproductive” capabilities and/or to top up the population mass. What we need are not more headcounts to man the factories. The SAF will innovate and make do with lesser numbers of Nsmen to man its guns.

I disagree with the tone of CSJ's article which is masqueraded as a demand for an apology for Singaporean. However, I think a foreign talent policy will be more successful, and amenable to the people, if the locals are not denigrated in the process.

We have also fallen behind in LQ (leadership quotient) where LQ = Economy Size / Leader Salary. So can we solve this by immigration?

To Bryan T,

Is Singapore attracting “talent” or simply those from a particular country to make up the numbers to become economic digits to feed the PAP parasites?

Why talented Singaporeans are emigrating in large numbers to escape from PAP's "paradise"? Is it because Singapore is neither a nation nor a country but simply a family fiefdom?

Stop quoting Thomas Friedman from your armchair. Come out and visit the flats, hawker centres and coffee shops in HDB estates where more than 86 per cent of our people live to know their real feelings and frustrations.

The reality is PAP MPs are scared to meet the people without proper security in plain-clothes, lest they be abused and possibly attacked by angry residents.

The PAP is greed and corruption personified.

This callous old man is 86 and way past caring about the repercussions and pain that he has caused and continues to cause. Forget the flawed decisions he made in his overbearing pride which lead to the present FT crisis and the imminent destruction of our identity - that's all water under the bridge to him now.

In the man's own words, " If native Singaporeans are falling behind... that is their problem." Is there anything about the calibrated sneer in that sentence that you do not get?

He is living in the past as all old folk do before meeting their maker; the difference between them and him is that even in his physically and mentally infirm years he still has the power to put his maddest schemes into effect and attempt to wind back the clock to a time that he's comfortable with. That is, an uncomplicated time when the nation hungered and slaved all the hours that God made to survive, a time when everyone obeyed his every whim without question, a time when he was THE guru respected by most and indeed loved by some.

Those days are gone. Many now look upon his legacy with a jaundiced eye and no little disgust. So what better way to try to resurrect the glory days than to restock with a fresh cohort of eager, obedient, hungry slaves under the guise of foreign talent? There's nothing to prevent a lunatic from taking over the Singapore asylum any more since any meaningful checks and balances have long been swept away.

Remember that infamous bully-boy conversation on TV (April 12, 2006) with a group of 10 young Singaporeans born after 1965? Asked when he would think of leaving the political arena, he said with a smirk: 'The moment I'm no longer of use to the Government and the constituents I serve. I've too much to offer to retire just yet'. He was 82 going on 83 then.

Who decides when he is no longer of use? Why, he does of course! What a silly question. Don't say you haven't been warned about his noble 'special offer'.

If citizens do not have the courage and wisdom to rub his nose into the dirt now, we are truly finished. He will for certain take us native Singaporeans From Third World To First - And Back Again.

NemoAlaska:
If we are doing better than the foreigners, the country would be perfect, what is there to criticize about? lol

Must be of a foreign blood (not born in Singapore) and perhaps either already a citizen or going to be one?

Maybe if before being one, he might still see PAP/LKY is right. Wait for later then. No wonder his perspective towards Singapore seems great? And if he is actually a true blue Singaporean, he is still not 'open minded' about what's going on in this island.

What is politically wrong with having this current government is that they succeeded in developing the infrastructure on this land but failing in developing the livelihood of the residents. I don't know what makes you think that PAP is doing the right thing now. Or is it because you are one of the top-notch?

LKY's bold words obviously shows that he is still living in deceit. Until today. Why back him up when he is actually 'raping' the citizens? Or maybe you are a coward and allow yourself and family be bullied by this dictator?

Imagine if LKY never play 'trick' on us (using ISA etc), there will be a lot of discontented Singaporean showing up in front of his office demanding he step down. That was IF ONLY he is a gentleman. IF ONLY he is not unfair. IF ONLY he dares to have an open debate. But what to say, LKY is as coward as any other bullies. He uses influences instead of being a gentleman. Prove was clear when he 'did' our late JBJ and many others.

Nothing wrong about doing NS and yes, it is a good thing for defense etc BUT better with lesser months (although practice makes perfect) so that Singaporean males can progress and strive which will also help to boost the economy and prosper.

Do you have a son?

If yes, there will be a time that you WILL feel if in case he (son) is more interested in doing business rather than forced to be train as a defender/rescuer for TWO years. And you know that this kind of training only takes 6 month practise to be an 'expert'.

If no son, make one.

I am as patriotic and eager too about putting my 4 sons help to defend this island BUT really, 2 years of training is a definite waste of time. A forced soldier is not as good as a volunteered one.

Being obedient as a citizen for such a long time, why can't we voice out what we see wrong with Lee Kuan Yew, who has obviously ruined us via his party's policy??

quantum : We can actually do better BUT the education system on streaming since 10 years of age, making us like flocks of sheep by 16, being categories and marginalized, definitely we can't. That's the trick. We are living like in the movie, Wall-E.

Here is where the problem lies.

There is a conflict of interest between the father and the son. It is difficult for the PM Lee to refute or admonish MM Lee. Imagine PM Lee refuting MM Lee and the family is having breakfast the next morning, do you think they won't talk about it? Especially when PM Lee knows who was instrumental in getting him his seat? So, it is clearly not easy for the PM to refute his father. This arrangement presents a conflict of interest. Singaporeans could accept to some extent if PM Lee made those remnarks. But it is much difficult when a mentor does that. Do good mentors speak that way? Intriguing.

I am a Singapore blood - pure one to be exact.

I have not felt to have wasted my golden 2 years to train and defend my country - Singapore.

If LKY is not bold and daring, look at other countries - corruption, greedy, and some other politicians - listen to their foreign master who needs to lick their toes in a bid to feed their family and hit on their own countrymen.

Do you have a daughter?

Make one if you still can. She will support her siblings and husband to defend the country.

See Beng,

My apologies for boring you with Thomas Friedman.

No, I do not barricade myself in a fortress armchair shooting arrows at anything non-white.

I am quite familiar with HDB flats, to the extent of having lived literally in a one-and-a-half-room pigeon-hole before. Mind you, there were eight of us in the family then and mats (yes, straw-ones) were laid from wall to wall at night. Hawker centres and coffee shops I visit almost everyday, if only the food offered are of the healthier and less salty variety. But I hope you don't mind if I state my observation that coffee-shop talk (similar to conversation over a beer) must be taken with a pinch of (unhealthy) salt. Much of it is of the fire-and-forget variety.

Why are talented Singaporeans emigrating? .... for the same reason that foreigners (talented or otherwise) are migrating to Singapore. Each perceives that they are better off in another country where the grass is greener (real or otherwise).

I was going to quote from Friedman about migration being a firm feature of globalisation, but I suppose I should refrain.

NamoAlaska, here I emphasize again that all your arguments (especially to those whom pro-pap’s policies and bootlickers) are all accordance to the principles and guidelines on defending the policies implemented and supported by the miw and their cronies so, will you please keep to yourself those propagandas relentlessly promoted by the miw and especially lky because we the born and bred citizens of Singapore have more than enough for all these rhetoric promulgated by the ruling party over 5 solid decades!! Enough means enough!!! Halt before “your ass” gets burn-up!

##Once again, please differentiate the difference between individual’s achievements and nation's development##!! I predict that you will argue that nation before self, without nation there “is no-self”! Mind you, the pre-condition for this type of statements are not at the expanse of the born and bred citizens and enormous benefits to the fts, prs and new-citizens!

First and foremost, if the foreigners turn prs or new-citizens especially those **with the help of the government** keep on doing better and out-perform born and bred Singaporeans, (oliver lum of hyflux is a very good example to quote) what is the point of having so many of them in this tiny-little-black-mark, it only benefits the miw and their cronies to receive exorbitant remuneration packages but not born and bred main-street-men! My idiotic nerd!

Do you know the use of 'ALAMAK' since you are a pure Singaporean?

"If LKY is not bold and daring, look at other countries - corruption, greedy, and some other politicians - listen to their foreign master who needs to lick their toes in a bid to feed their family and hit on their own countrymen."

EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE IN SINGAPORE. alamakkkk....

About babies.. hehe.. I already have a 'pocketful' of sons :) no need daughters. I will get them automatically once my sons get married.

NemoAlaska:
You prefer to clean rifle in your bunk for 3 years rather than getting a free scholarship to do a Ph.D? No wonder Singaporeans are falling behind.
If the leaders are not greedy, why do they need high salaries?

BryanT: Comparing coffee-shop talks where people talk with true feelings versus well-rehearsed wayang parliament proceedings , I prefer the former.

NemoAlaska said :

"Make one if you still can. She will support her siblings and husband to defend the country"

With this mindset, I pity your women.

Stop quoting Thomas Friedman out of context. What we are getting in the name of “talents” are people from a particular place flooding Singapore, offering their cheap labour to feed the greedy and corrupt fascist PAP regime.

PAP and its apologists and sycophants do their analyses by sitting in their air-con comfort. When these societal parasites venture out to HDB estates where 86 per cent of our people live, they have to barricade themselves with plainclothes policemen and hangers-on.

The million-dollar ministers and PAP MPs who hold multiple directorships in GLCs and TLCs don’t understand the plight of ordinary Singaporeans, majority of whom are struggling by holding on to more than one jobs to put food on the table.

The country is in a severe recession, the worst since its independence and yet the PAP parasites continue to lavish themselves with humongous salaries.

Talented Singaporeans emigrate to other places seeking fulfilling life whereas Singapore is letting in economic misfits from a particular country, resulting in social and cultural tension and anxiety. The only beneficiaries are the PAP fascists, their cronies, the big businesses and MNCs looking to maximize their profits through cheap labour.

"Why are talented Singaporeans emigrating? .... for the same reason that foreigners (talented or otherwise) are migrating to Singapore."

Well, well, well, the old equivocation fallacy card being played, eh BryanT? Curious how the plight of the talented Singaporean being driven to leave home ('emigrating' out) has somehow become morally equivalent to the cheap foreign talent ('emigrating' in) who gladly takes his job since it comes without the same crippling national obligations/disadvantages which forced the Singaporean away.

I have to hand it to you though - the misleading use of a term like 'emigrating' with more than one meaning or sense (by glossing over which meaning is intended at a particular time) is pretty sly — but not quite sly enough to escape notice.

As you're so keen on Thomas Friedman's quotes out of context, how about his observation that: “I think it's going to be one of the biggest middle-class jobs — collaborators." For certain persons it reaches parts that other quotes cannot reach, does it not Mr.T?

Frankly I prefer the prophetic words of a different Friedman myself:

"Many people want the government to protect the consumer. A much more urgent problem is to protect the consumer from the government."

>> Listening to this will really make me stupid.

http://news.omy.sg/News/Local%2BNews/Story/OMYStory201001011605-116749.html

"新移民充满干劲表现更好
李资政提醒国人不努力会变笨"

According to this report, MM Lee said, immigrants are very hardworking, and if Singaporeans are not more hardworking Singaporeans will become stupid.

“He (Harry Lee) is living in the past as all old folk do before meeting their maker”

There is no doubt that the overbearing pride, the calibrated sneer at Singaporean, the man-made God, the Guru and the smirk as mentioned previously from your article, come from the way that how Lee clings on to the power throughout the many years. More importantly though, what he has done can be deliberated to be beyond constitutionally and democratically bearable limits, in part because life after being the Prime Minister of Singapore was by seen him offered little in comparison to the riches, stature and security of being in power. He is and has been too avaricious and that should the main reason as to why we should rub his nose into the dirt now.

Memory is often the glue that keeps our lives together. Without it, young or old folks will lose most of what we are. As Aldous Huxley said "Every man's memory is his private literature", recollection of the past does not exclusively belong to the older generation.

"Many people want the government to protect the consumer. A much more urgent problem is to protect the consumer from the government."

The above is a good quote. My interpretation is that the government should not interfere with the "market" forces and efficiencies.

Therefore in cases such as the wet-markets, asking for the government to forbid a private deal between the current lease-holder(s) and Sheng Shiong is not the wisest thing to do, at least according to what Mr Friedman is saying here.

But I suppose all opposition parties around the world want to be seen to be "protecting" the vote-holders. SDP is no exception.

http://news.omy.sg/News/Local%2BNews/Story/OMYStory201001031447-117058.html
李资政：新加坡人是抱怨王

MM Lee: "Singaporeans are Complain Kings!"

BryanT says: "Therefore in cases such as the wet-markets, asking for the government to forbid a private deal between the current lease-holder(s) and Sheng Shiong is not the wisest thing to do, at least according to what Mr Friedman is saying here."

The major player in the economy of Singapore is the government. Anyone wanting to "prosper" needs the patronage of the PAP, in particular the Lee family and its cronies.

PAP MPs are holding multiple directorships in the numerous GLCs and TLCs. They spent more time in golf courses than at the so-called meet-the-people session which in itself is just an eyewash.

The Singapore economy is one of the most controlled and without the tacit approval of the ruling clique, private businesses or entrepreneurship have no place to thrive.

Patronage comes, among other things in the form of sponsoring PAP activities at constituency level.

The PAP, in particular Lee Kuan Yew doesn’t tolerate private financial/economic power bases, lest they become threats to its authoritarian stranglehold on power.

Stop quoting Friedman in vain. The fascist PAP regime is rooted in the political economy of social control.

http://www.temasekreview.com/2010/01/04/will-malays-share-their-last-grain-of-rice-with-non-muslim-neighbors/

In the transcript released by CNA about the interview MM Lee had with National Geographic, he said:

“Well, we make them say the national pledge and sing the national anthem but suppose we have a famine, will your Malay neighbour give you the last few grains of rice or will she share it with her family or fellow Muslim or vice versa?”.

Well, they say the national pledge and sing the national anthem but suppose we have a famine will our PAP ministers give us the last few grains of rice or will they share it with their families and other Top Talent (TM)?

China national charged for operating brothels in HDB estates

http://www.temasekreview.com/2010/01/05/china-national-charged-for-operating-brothels/

Open letter to PA’s CEO Mr Tan Boon Huat on MM Lee’s remarks that all grassroots organizations are part of the PAP

http://www.temasekreview.com/2010/01/06/open-letter-to-pas-ceo-mr-tan-boon-huat-on-mm-lees-statement-that-all-grassroots-organizations-are-part-of-the-pap/