Singapore Democrats

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"But we will also not hesitate to caution against misguided actions and statements of individuals that inaccurately and unnecessarily potray the police in a negative light."
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And that is what being HONOURABLE is all
about.

Wait a minute! What happened? Details!

How come suddenly the Singapore Democrats becoming so magnanimous urging bloggers not to exploit the matter against the authorities or are they too worry more dirty linen about the SDP will be thrown out to the public?

Anyway, I'm sure u will self-censor this posting.

In the Controlled News Asia, it was stated that he was arrested for disturbing the mosque whereas bloggers stated that he was arrested in some kind of dispute with his temple.

If CNA was wrong, can we bring this up to the international news agencies?

I suspect that it is an overstatement. A way to discredit people like any others by the media. The media are CAPABLE of doing that.

Seems that everyone who is connected to the opposition is either crazy, mentally unstable or criminally inclined in lying and stealing..

Maybe it is just that to go against the PAP instead of collecting a fat pay every month doing nothing..

whatever,Mr ravi's reasons might be, it's not apporiate to behave in such a wild and boisterous manner in place of worship,when the religious prayers are being conducted.His motive seem's to distrubt the prayers.He further,went on to use abusvie lauguage's on devotee's(calling him prostitue's son).Being,a person from a legal fraternity,he must understand what are the consquence's of his actions.Some of the community members had express shock and aunger.I respect MR ravi's stand on Human right's issuse and his stand against death penalty,which I feel he has done a excellent job.This not a minor thing,that could be sweeped under the carpet.If,would be in SDP's interest,to give full detail's of what actually happend?

In their recent deceptive articles and comnentaries on Western critics, the crafty PAP propagandists and apologists, working as "journalists" in the PAP Government-controlled Straits Times, have been misleading Singaporeans, all over again, deliberately, by deviously refusing to make the important distinction between the PAP Government and the country of Singapore! These articles are flagrant examples of the duplicities practised by the mendacious ST journalists during all these long years of oppressive PAP dominance! What cunning! What dishonesty! What bias!

Don't these ST journalists realise that, nearly 12 years ago, there were already more honest, unprejudiced and principled readers who, in the Forum page of their very own Straits Times, had tellingly and crucially, made that important distinction? Yes, for the benefit of their fellow ST readers--even in those early post-PM LKY days of the Internet revolution?

Mr Sai Siew Min, for instance, in his momentous letter "Singapore's identity should be independent of the PAP"(ST Forum, 21 November 1996), asked relevantly and crucially:"How then do we distinguish between the PAP and Singapore? Do we say the PAP is Singapore?"

Mr Sai was, of course, in those expectant days of Goh Chok Tong prime ministership nearly 12 years ago, defending the right of Singaporeans to speak up courageously against the ruling party (or the PAP Government)--when it falters--as opposed to the people or country of Singapore itself!

Honest Western critics too, have the right to make and to insist upon such a vital and necessary distinction! For, time and again, in their penetrating commentaries and criticisms in the foreign media, are these mostly and genuinely concerned and impartial foreign or Western critics not actually taking the ruling (PAP) party (or the PAP Government) to task--and NOT the people or country of Singapore itself?

For, the majority of these foreigners or Westerners do indeed appreciate, admire and acknowledge the undeniable achievements and progresses made by the people or country of Singapore.

These just and fair-minded Westerners understand and appreciate the value of respecting and tolerating differences (especially of opinions) in a democratic country (like the U.S.)--an important value and attitude that we Singaporeans, too, should have, if we are to consider ourselves as citizens of a democratic society (as we dutifully recited that we indeed are in our National Pledge every morning during our school days)!

We must not only tolerate and respect differences (especially of opinions) among our own citiens but also the differences (again, especially of opinions) among the foreigners or Westerners--when it comes to their evaluations of both the PAP and the people or country of Singapore.

For not all foreigners or Westerners like to sing, wholeheartedly and unreservedly, the praises of the PAP (or the PAP Government)--despite their appreciation of and admiration for the achievements and progresses made by the people and country of Singapore. (And surely, they have the right to hold and to express such anti-PAP -- and NOT, I emphasise, anti-Singapore -- views?)

That is an important distinction not usually highlighted by these untruthful PAP propagandists and apologists, working as "journalists" in the deceiving Singapore media! For, as another perceptive reader Mr Adrian Kwong Sze Ken wrote, in his equally significant letter "Singaporeans should consider what they hear before following blindly" (ST Forum, 14 November 1996), "it is xenophobic to reject advice from 'foreigners/outsiders' based on citizenship alone."

Mr Adrian Kwong--thank Heaven for such impartiality and fairness!--further elaborated: "Just as we must be careful in choosing what advice we want to take from non-Singaporeans, we must also be judicious in choosing the politicians we want to represent and govern us. To make the best possible choices in either sphere, it is essential that we remain logical and objective in exercising our discretion about the information we receive."

It is clear that most Singaporeans and Westrners alike do not hate Singapore itself--or harbour any antipathy or negative and damning viws against Singapore--the country or its people! For they are all aware of the impressive successes, achievements and developments of Singapore--the country or its people!

But the ruling (PAP) party? The PAP Government? That is a totally different matter! For the oppressive, repressive, authoritarian and autocratic political system that the PAP Government has created in Singapore is not exactly or really the kind of political system that most Singaporeans favour or would choose--in spite of seemingly giving their supposed "general consent" or "mandate" to the PAP to govern Singapore at every general elections since Independence!

For, the more politically astute, discerning, aware and educated Singaporeans among us, know that these repeatedly "successful" elections "victories" were achieved by the Machiavellian, scheming, sly, unprincipled, guileful, wily, unscrupulous and cheating PAP leaders, members and supporters--using undemocratic and unjust methods and means of electioneering and campaigning, using the instruments of State to undermine the chances of opposition parties in general elections, and also unfairly imposing dubious voting rules, procedures and practices!

To return to what ST Forum correspondent Mr Sai Siew Min said in 1996: "Let us not," wrote Mr Sai, "persecute differences just because they are different or just because they are viewed by the mainstream as treasonous." He added, pointedly, further, that "it is also because the Americans subject their system to close scrutiny consistently that despite their apparent differences with one another and in spite of their weaknesses, they are still able to cope with changing situations and multiple crises."

And Mr Sai then concluded, in a moment of intellectual brilliance and political inspiration, witnessed by ST readers and published in the unethical and veiled "freedom" of the government-controlled Straits Times itself nearly 12 years ago, and reflecting the kind of true journalistic qualities and values not shown by so-called "professional journalists" in the deceitful mainstream Singapore media now as ever (since PAP rule): "It remains to be said that no one system is perfect and no human entity infallible. The question of how to cope with that fallibility becomes more important than the fruitless quest for a perfect system. To assert dogmatically that one has found the perfect system condemns us irrevocably to doom. If we want a truth, then let that be the only one."

That final advice was indeed a key contribution to the political education of our people. How have we forgotten that already?

Both CNA and bloggers were right..see uncle yap's blog. He dispute with temple AND disturb mosque.

He is ill apparently. Let's not loose track on that. Compassion and empathy
should be in order. After all many of
us are close to breaking point under
the relentless abuse of power by the
present regime.

Singapore wheel's fortunes change with direction.

[color=red][b]The direction of the Singapore Flyer has been reversed for "a six-figure sum".[/b][/color]

Officials in Singapore have changed the direction of the world's biggest observation wheel because feng shui masters said it was taking good fortune away from the city, a report said Saturday.

The Singapore Flyer, which opened earlier this year, had originally revolved so that it rose to face the business district and went down overlooking the sea, the Strait Times newspaper said

[b]Such a waste of monies??????[/b]

[b]Even at 11yrs PAP propaganda is indoctrinated forcibly onto school curriculum for Pr 5s:

National Heritage Programme tour to Parliament House and Civic District- whilst it is good to tour to see but what we cannot understand:

Purpose is to view and see the seat of admin and govt buildings and records which narrates S'pore history from the time Sultan Hussein and Sir Stamford Raffles to modern Mr Lee K Yew??

And mind you the tour is not free tho subsidised???? Cash $6.00 per student is collected to see humbug stories of PAP and Lee Junta????[/b]

[b][quote]But we will also not hesitate to caution against misguided actions and statements of individuals that inaccurately and unnecessarily portray the police in a negative light. [/quote]

[color=red]That is the difference bet SDP and PAPee!!

We salute you SDP! You have shown us your moral compass and values which are very very stong indeed![/b][/color]

[color=blue][quote][b]He held his own against the Lees' lawyer, Mr Davinder Singh, and refused to be rail-roaded. Mr Ravi is a one-man legal firm while Mr Singh is the chief of Drew & Napier, a law firm of more than 150 lawyers. In that hearing Mr Ravi applied himself with distinction. [/b][/quote][/color]

[quote][b]After all many of
us are close to breaking point under
the relentless abuse of power by the
present regime.[/[/b]quote]

You mean the Lee Junta are impeccable, faultless and very very healthy????

ALL ONE BIG COVER UP WITH TAX PAYER'S MONIES LAH!

[color=blue][b]We wish to express our utmost sympathies to Mr Ravi and his fly during this difficult time!

Also to thank SDP for their most honourable stand for their support for Mr Ravi during this difficult time!

Most impt life is about being there when you need most- He supported SDP during diff times and it was indeed gallant and honourable for SDP to speak up for Mr Ravi in all honesty!

About your moral principles and values to stand up for the right values!

YOU ARE ALL ONE UP HIGHER THAN THE PUPPETS/MORONS/DECEIT DACOYS OF THE PAPEE!![/b][/color]

Yes,I do agree,Mr Ravi could be on the verge of mental breakdown.I also belive treatment is the best alternative than penalty.But,I also like to stress neither SDP nor Mr Ravi had expressed regard or remorse over the incident.This put a shadow of doubt,about their sincerety.

BIGGEST PAP PLOY AND TACTICS AGAINST OPPOSTITIONS

[quote][b]Yesterday in Court 26, after he was charged with the 2 aboves, Mr. M Ravi told the judge that he had no food since the night before, and was not given any food nor drink at Cantonment Police Complex where he was arrested and detained, he had been hungry all the way until he was in court. The lock-up's mata gave him a tea after that.

Why so? Because they wanted Mr. Ravi in IMH before dark and not want him in Cantonment Police Complex........[/b][/quote]

Read true details :
http://singaporeindianvoice.blogspot.com/

[quote]We will not deter from speaking out when our law enforcement agencies detract from their rightful duty and protect the interests of the ruling party instead of the public's.[/quote]

[color=maroon][b]Well said SDP!

You stand up taller each time the Lee Junta "fixes" the oppostions![/b][/color]

[quote]Mr. Ravi told the judge that the famiLEE LEEgime mata first took only a short statement (which have a special police formal document type number) and then soon he was charged and made to sign the charge sheet already, before the long statement (which have a very different police formal document type number) was taken. That is to say that he was charged so quickly before any formal investigation process was completed. That is a wrong matter in law.

This is the sign that the charges are not the result of a normal police investigation process, and the result had been determined before the very short process was rushed to meet the court's hours.

Why so? Because they wanted Mr. Ravi in IMH before dark and not want him in Cantonment Police Complex?[/quote]

[b]MORE OF LEE'S DIRTY POLITICS- HE WILL DIE WITH WORMS FESTED IN HIS WHOLE BODY!![/b]

I sympathise at all those you manipulate Mr Ravi's health status which was brought upon him by PApee's dirty politics and "fixes"!

Spineless and cordless indviduals!

[quote]Arrested M Ravi had no food at police station and charged before investigation completed
Source: Uncle Yap[/quote]

[b]Lee and Co will have to pay for their sins done to Oppositions AND VERY VERY SOON!![/b]

[b]GIVE THEM HELL BACK!![/b]

[b]Mr Chia L T deserves special mention!

He has shown his bravo and skill as a lawyer by taking on the many "fixes" of Lee Junta and fighting for these ridiculous cases!

Mr Chia is a good example of a true Singaporeand and should be CHAIRMAN/PRESIDENT OF LAW SOCIETY OF SINGAPORE FOR YOUNGER LAWYERS TO LEARN FROM!

[color=blue]HE IS NO COWARD![/[/color]b]

WELL DONE SDP AND DR CHEE AND EVERYONE!

HANG IN THERE MR RAVI- YOU STILL HAVE YOUR SUPPORTERS- WE ARE NOT BLIND TO THIER "dirty tactics"!

NS, NSMan training.

Brought to you by the National Socialists of Singapore.

@ kings 5.30 pm

I respect everybodys' views just I would like them to respect mine even if it runs counter to one's own.
But to expect Mr.Ravi to express REMORSE
in his present state? TOLONG LAH!

[quote]But we will also not hesitate to caution against misguided actions and statements of individuals that inaccurately and unnecessarily portray the police in a negative light. [/quote]

Now SDP is on the side of the Police...

Why?

Because you will always need the Police to protect you from robbers, theives, gangsters and so on..

SDP for the SPF..

Good sign that SDP is supporting law enforcement.

SDP has cautioned you not to comment on the Police in a negative way.

Hear! Hear!

Any person, who enter the mad house for "Treatment" can come out really mad.
This is another one of the regime's oppressive weapon.

It's a sobering thought.

It may be that somehow, the potentially mentally unstable of a certain sort tend to veer towards political opposition such as the SDP.

But it could also be that the oppression, both physical and,worse, psychological, which the whole government machinery is made to bear upon those sympathetic with the opposition, has made psychopaths of those citizens who dared to effect their opposition to government.

Should the latter be so, what a waste of our fellow citizens and their talents in talent-scares Singapore!

[quote]
Now SDP is on the side of the Police...

Why?

Because you will always need the Police to protect you from robbers, theives, gangsters and so on..

SDP for the SPF..

Good sign that SDP is supporting law enforcement.

SDP has cautioned you not to comment on the Police in a negative way.

Hear! Hear!
[/quote]

Hi Mike,

we still waiting for your geylang FR leh.

I was quite beside myself with wonder reading the article, [i]"SDP calls on activists not to exploit Ravi's situation"[/i].

I was even more acutely suspicious when I read, [i]"we will also not hesitate to caution against misguided actions and statements of individuals that inaccurately and unnecessarily portray the police in a negative light." [/i]

It really smacks of pharisaicalness, to say the least.

Where were this censorious tone, objective outlook and equitableness when Ravi created all the trouble in [color=blue]Hindu[/color] temples? How come, now, there is a sudden reaction to one incident in a [color=red]mosque[/color]?

Has the fear of offending the Muslim brethrens impelled the SDP to feign such an uncharacteristic reaction?

@ ahsayman 6.50 pm

I can certainly respect your views,I don't belive Mr Ravi has lose his sense totaly,He's still aware of what he's going around him,unless of course he is in total loss state,where he lost his sense of perception of what he's doing and what's going around him,which seem not the case here.SDP,too can take partial resposnsibity of what happend,give a proper briefing and express regret.what,can I tell u right now,
lot of folks of their community are not happy of what happend.you might think that I am from some pro-govt,affilated orgainsation,who is out to discredit SDP,which I am not.I have profound respect for Dr chee and his team.somebody has to take resposiblty,on his behave and give proper explanation.I would not comment any further,As,we are on the process of evalaution,on what's next course of action to be taken.I wish Mr Ravi a speedy recovery and best of health

for some racist and Islamophobic remarks posted on the internet. Strange how it only applies to some misguided young people whose parents are not MPs or some equally as rich and powerful or the PAP patriots who always play the race card in order to maintain power.

PAP is very brave (note: sarcasm) to stand up to Muslim terrorists by sending Medical teams to Iraq and Afghanistan. When it comes to the heavy lifting, PAP led Singapore will be far behind the front lines, letting US / Australian soldiers die for them.

I had written about how power was abused by some authorities. How many people became misfortuned by these act. How juvenile is not spared too.

It Was, It Is, It Will Be always about them, abusing their power unless the ruling party is no more.

The media having reported about this in such a way where they had forgotten that they are simply trying to 'promote' racial issues among the citizen. The worries about having the oppositions to be united against PAP has led them up to this extend just to discredit someone, anyone.

What a daring stance by the media simply to divert people from trusting SDP and other political parties by risking racial harmony. I've noticed SPD was mentioned immediately in the news.

I've noticed SDP was mentioned immediately in the news.

@kings_ : 8.41pm

All right then bro, Peace. I'm nobody's fool either. Cheers.

It doesn't matter what the man HAD done before.. its about what he did. Until I know for sure what exactly happened, I will neither believe PAP, The Shit Times or SDP...

kings @8.41pm

I'm gratified by your understanding of the emotion behind my reply. Very gentlemanly of you. So, peace. I'm nobody's fool either. Cheers.

Reply to Kings:

Ravi is seen by lawyers and members of the public behaving erratically in places like the sub courts, temples and coffee shops. Anyone having witnessed this would know that there is something mentally wrong with Ravi.

Those who know him for a longtime say his periodical attack is cyclical. SDP had just been only one of his many clients.

What he now needs is care and treatment. A client cannot be held responsible for the lawyer's medical condition with a known history.

It seems strange that anyone associated with the opposition parties has a higher level of accountability whereas our MIW have changed to law to protect themselves such as the need to inform them should you wish to investigate them. In other words, you have to let them know if you want to engage a PI to check them out. Can a citizen also have the same rights as the MIW or are they above the law? Shouldn't the MIW be under the scrutiny of greater accountability? Afterall, they are holding the purse string of the country and not the opposition parties!

Anna: your sons are were under police custody and blackmarked, because they started fights/riots/"big society group gathering".

sg authorities do not abuse power. since when do the police just arrest any other LAW-ABIDING juvenile/citizen?

just imo, no offence.

related to this event.. seems... reliable.

http://uncleyap-news.blogspot.com/

Lee kuan Yew and PAP sure shut it down soon.. lol

The only time i see the SDP telling people not to put the police in a bad light is when something happened to them or their affliates. Wrong means wrong, stop the 'he has a heart of gold' rubbish.

Hypocrites.

STRESS CAN KILL YOU AND DIRTY HARRY KNEW MR RAVI MUST BE PUSHED TO THE LIMIT!

THEY WILL HAVE TO BE PAID FOR ALL THEIR SINS!

HOW MANY MORE PEOPLE FROM OPPOSITIONS ARE THEY GOING TO RUN DOWN AND TORTURE JUST TO SECURE THEIR GLORIFIED AND HIGH PAID JOBS????

[b]PAPYEE MUST BE GIVEN THE SAME TORTURE TREATMENT - NO FOOD OR DRINKS FOR 1 DAY![/b]

[color=blue][b]SDP AND MOST OPPOSITIONS IN SINGAPORE Deserve the NDP Awards for still having the courage, patience and energy to put up with the FamiLEE and PAP Junta!

I DEFINITELY MUST SALUTE TO YOU GUYS!

HANG IN THERE FRENS-DEVILS WILL BE DESTROYED SOON![/b][/color]

[quote=Anonymous]Anna: your sons are were under police custody and blackmarked, because they started fights/riots/"big society group gathering".

sg authorities do not abuse power. since when do the police just arrest any other LAW-ABIDING juvenile/citizen?

just imo, no offence.[/quote]

He was also caught as drug addict when he was having medication prescribed by Tekong MO. He was detained for 2 weeks in DB despite having the proof to show the I/O? The I/O is not interested?? Proved to be NEGATIVE!! What about his innocence 2 weeks done to him?? The stress? The pressures? The emotionally distress? On him, what about on his mother? No apology from any one of them, my friend.

One more about the rioting. He wasn't there but used to sit with some friends who were involved in a fight a few hours later. Met them the a few days later just to be arrested.

About unlawful assembly, he had plead guilty because he was there at that moment, defending a situation where a boy had provoked them for a fight.

Why would we want to always agree with the charges when it is not right? You see, he plead guilty on the ones he had done. No problem if that's what justice means.

I am a fair person. I will want my son be punish if they are a menace for society. As long as others can live in peace, I can do that. I live for the sake of truth.

PP'le are suffering in S'pore under the Monsters and their dirty tactics- the Lee rule!

They did it to JB Jeya and now Mr Ravi and SDP activists-

U mean they won't pay for all this wickedness !

[b]SURE DIE IN HELL![/b]

"sg authorities do not abuse power. since when do the police just arrest any other LAW-ABIDING juvenile/citizen?"

Francis Seow, the "Marxist" Catholics etc. what crimes did they commit?

Do not flag a dead horse just bec you are the King!

Hey LKY remember that- you also have familees to take care!

We make you starve w/o a drop of water -see if you can tahan 1/2 an hr?????

DROP DEAD MEAT LKY

"sg authorities do not abuse power. since when do the police just arrest any other LAW-ABIDING juvenile/citizen?"

Francis Seow, the "Marxist" Catholics etc. what crimes did they commit other than opposing the PAP and LKY?

"Those who know him for a longtime say his periodical attack is cyclical. SDP had just been only one of his many clients."

What is the threshold for libel? Is it only when you are LKY or an associate? Please back up your claims with proof.

I am in sympathy with Mr. Ravi and he needs medical attention urgently. It appears that he does not know what he is doing in the mosque. I am really puzzled by the views/comments blaming the govt and LKY for his own doing. Such views have no sense of what had actually happened. Adopting such bizarre behavior does not help Mr.Ravi at all. On the contrary, it will make his mental condition worse!

I am not surprised at all.
Another one of Lee Kuan Yew's political purges since the 60s.

Lee Hsien Loong, once your dad is gone, many MPs, ministers and even the common Singaporeans will rise against you.

Son paying for Dad's sins...

P.S. I wish Ravi well, god speed. And hope that SDP... please look out for Mr Chia Li Tik and Mdm Jaslyn Go, I have a bad feeling PAP will not hesitate to fix them after Goplan Nair and M Ravi.

AnnA
Uncle Ver SG
i've read the post and thanks.
although i could live comfortably in this PAP-state for the next few decades.. i can only hope singapore would vote the right people in the next GE. it's time for a change.

[quote]I wish Ravi well, god speed. And hope that SDP... please look out for Mr Chia Li Tik and Mdm Jaslyn Go, I have a bad feeling PAP will not hesitate to fix them after Goplan Nair and M Ravi[/quote]

[b]Agreed! They are very very good and LKY does not like that! Esp Oppositions!

Plans for "fix ups" underway-Beware![/b]

aiyah..so much problem...we should concentrate on rising inflation and our right's...ravi,is certainly a force within SDP,you can describe him as two-face( a character in the Batman movie,who's a lawyer with soft side,at time's he will run into violent streak)
if Ravi heard unwittingly hurt anybody's feelings,just apologise and move on brother,There is nothing to be ashamed of,we have all been there.Hopefully Ravi will get the rest he deserves

.[quote=Plans for "fix ups"][quote]I wish Ravi well, god speed. And hope that SDP... please look out for Mr Chia Li Tik and Mdm Jaslyn Go, I have a bad feeling PAP will not hesitate to fix them after Goplan Nair and M Ravi[/quote]

[b]Agreed! They are very very good and LKY does not like that! Esp Oppositions!

Plans for "fix ups" underway-Beware![/b][/quote]

It seems that anyone who appose the PAP tend to end up being charged with inciting racial tension. It has happened to CSJ, and more recently Gopalan Nair.

Although it is frustrating at this moment, I urge everyone not to make judgement until we hear from the man himself - or his laywer.

[b][u]I truly suspect this website is "highly watched" website![/u]

I read somewhere in this website someone complained about "no support from S'pore leaders at Beijing Olympics for our S'pore contingent!"

The last I saw on news recently so called President with Exec Powers and a team went up to Beijing to show their support - ha1ha!

Only after complaining they work harder!

Otherwise all just sleep and collect big fat pays!

BUNCH OF CLOWNS REALLY!![/b]