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Saturday, 28 June 2008

Chee Soon Juan

His words are explained, researched and re-explained, every jab of the finger or the bringing down of his fist for effect is broadcast, accolades are reported in greater detail than a doctoral dissertation, and every smile is published in vivid colour.

This is the Lee Kuan Yew that Singaporeans have come to know. Confident. Unerring. Sharp. Superhuman.

But this is not the Lee Kuan Yew I saw.

The man I confronted in court regurgitated his lines, was lost for words, and sought refuge in his counsel depending on the question I asked.

Of course, he was his usual belligerent self and seemed like he was looking for a good intellectual joust. But he was nothing like the sharped-tongue sage that many, including me, were persuaded by the media to believe -- the one they call Minister Mentor.

My first glimpse of the Lee's ordinariness came at the beginning of my cross-examination when I asked him why he insisted on testifying through lunchtime and why he refused to tell the court the "important matter" that he had to attend to that afternoon. It was a straightfoward question that required only a simple answer.

But the Minister Mentor was tongue-tied despite ample opportunity for him to recover. Looking at Mr Lee from where I stood, I could see that his mouth was agape. But while he attempted to speak, no words came forth. After several agonising seconds, his counsel had to come to his rescue.

Was age catching up and slowing the MM down? No, in the middle of that exchange Mr Lee let out one of his laughs, not the kind evoked from jollity but the sort laced with contrived cynicism meant for covering up embarrassment. This demonstrated a mind that was still clear but not the superlative one that his propagandists would have us believe.

Cherry-picking

MM Lee was also unremarkable in his ability to think on his feet. I discovered this during the exchange where he mentioned foreign organisations lauding his achievements, organisations such as PERC (Political and Economic Risk Consultancy) and Transparency International-Malaysia. Incidentally, one of PERC's chief, Bruce Gale, now works for the Straits Times as Senior Writer.

When I listed out at least ten other organisations that criticised his undemocratic ways, Mr Lee countered that the organisations I had named were "liberal organisations" whereas those he cited were rating agencies concerned about "where investors put their money in."

Such argument could easily be pulled apart by a secondary school student. The dichotomy was simplistic as it was false. The practice of liberal democracy and the ability to attract investments are not mutually exclusive. If they were India would not be one of the biggest magnets for investments, and neither would democracies like Ireland, Chile, South Korea, Hong Kong and Taiwan.

Mr Lee seemed unable to grasp the fact that Singapore is a country and as a country, its people don't just robotically seek investments. There are such things as happiness that stem from being able to participate in the country's decision-making process and, as an extension, feeling a sense of rootedness to society. Is it any wonder that Singaporeans are one of the gloomiest and most stressed-out peoples in Asia?

When confronted with these observations, Mr Lee could only regurgitate that without his system, there could not be the prosperity that Singapore was enjoying.

Patriotism? Who cares

Yes, prosperity. But for whom? When I persisted and pointed out that even if Singaporeans were as well off as Mr Lee wanted to believe and, as a consequence, as happy and contented, why did a survey conducted in 2007 show that 50 percent of young Singaporeans wanted to leave the haven given a chance and a shocking 37 percent indicated that they were not patriotic to the country.

Mr Lee responded that he was "not moved one way or the other other." The final test, he pointed out, was whether these people were leaving permanently.

He had apparently forgotten that just a few months ago, he had admitted in an interview that the brain drain in Singapore was a "pretty serious" problem because many of our top talent were going overseas and not coming back.

When I made it plain to him that talented Singaporeans were leaving on a permanent basis, and one of the reasons for their leaving was that they were disenchanted with his system, the MM couldn't engage further. He changed the subject and asked me to quickly discharge myself from bankruptcy so that I could campaign in an election against the PAP.

Mr Lee's response was troubling. The finding that nearly 40 percent of our youth did not feel loyalty to the country ought to raise a monumental alarm across the government. (How are our National Servicemen going to defend a country that they are not patriotic to?) Yet, Mr Lee indicated that he didn't quite care. What has this country become when the government is keener on attracting investments than the patriotism of its citizens?

From London de-classified

One way to duck a question is to change the subject. The other is to take refuge behind counsel.

When I asked the MM about the declassified memos and letters from London regarding his role in the incarceration of his political opponents, in particular Mr Lim Chin Siong, and his manoeuvring to keep Lim from challenging for the prime ministership, Mr Lee uncharacteristically chose to remain silent, preferring to let his lawyer plead the irrelevance of my question.

I had expected a robust defence of his so-called fight with the so-called communists in the left-wing of the PAP, his pet topic. But despite my stressing that this went to the issue of his integrity, Mr Lee shied away. No matter how hard I pressed, the MM remained silent.

Contrast these: Mr Lee had volunteered the award by Transparency International-Malaysia to bolster his claim of his unblemished integrity. But when confronted with the question of his treatment of Mr Lim Chin Siong he was stone-cold silent.

Oh yes, there was also the PM

The courtroom confrontation with Mr Lee was not the only subject. There was also his son, the PM. The fact that Lee Jr's performance was so completely overshadowed speaks volumes of the his leadership.

For all of his bluster Mr Lee Kuan Yew, at least, ventured his own thoughts and his own philosophy. Hsien Loong was altogether different. He kept his eye firmly on his lawyer and relied heavily on counsel's objections to avoid any engagement (see here). His crossing swords with Siok Chin also exposed his limitations in a toe-to-toe debate.

At one point, Mr Davinder Singh even said that he was the one to make the decisions in the courtroom leaving his client - the country's top decision-maker no less - looking limp and unable to hold his own. Maybe the Minister Mentor position is not so redundant after all.

I take pains to point out these tribunal encounters not to denigrate Mr Lee Kuan Yew. I make them so that Singaporeans are disabused of the image that Lee's propaganda machine has made him out to be, the image of a God-like figure to be held in fearful awe and never questioned.

Nations run into trouble when the people allow their politicians to be cast in such reverential light. Autocrats work to ensure that they are cast in a mystical portrait -- larger-than-life and beyond reproach. We must undo what has happened in Singapore. Mr Lee Kuan Yew is most certainly not the person that the media paints him to be.

For our own sakes and for the sake of our nation, we must see that he is one with all the foibles and weaknesses of any other man. For that he must be held accountable just like any other man.



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Comments (71)
  • Muhammad Shamin - Stalin = Mao Zedong = LKY?
    "His words are explained, researched and re-explained, every jab of the finger or the bringing down of his fist for effect is broadcast, accolades are reported in greater detail than a doctoral dissertation, and every smile is published in vivid colour."

    - Well, what to do Dr. Chee, this is how dictators present themselves to the world. Like you said "This is the Lee Kuan Yew that Singaporeans have come to know. Confident. Unerring. Sharp. Superhuman." Stalin, Hitler, Mao Zedong, LKY....all the same. But LKY is not so bad.

    They want the whole world to believe that they are the only ones capable of leading and only through them will God bless the land.

    But don't worry Dr. Chee. What goes up, shall come down. Just wait and see. I always believe that if you do good unto others, good will come to you. If you do evil unto others, evil will come to you.
  • AnnA - Super Controller
    Aiyah Mr MM!

    You don't want to let go of a position which you no longer entitled to sit in. I believed upon your son's inconfidence attitude to become the PM in Singapore, you might have forcibly suggested and brainwashed your son and GCT to create one more post above them with a promise to assist them. Definitely, you couldn't sit as a president of Singapore as you knew that this can proof your craziness over power. You know you couldn't take up that post.

    You sit behind the PM's shadow for so long in order to keep in power. Your son has no integrity of being our PM lah. He is too emotional. He didn't even feel ashamed of backing up his colleague in front of national TV. So childish. He can't even make any comment to the nation about the Mas Selamat's escape and waited for you to come back from Dubai (for property shopping) and start rambling about 'complacency'. Your boldness and overly confident words blaming us as citizens for being complacent was a wake up call. Your mistake. I assure you that it was due to your complacency and taking for granted that Singaporean have no minds of our own, that will lead to your downfall.

    Give up lah. Give up your Familee Regime. PAP has lost our trust because of you insensivity towards us, the citizens. You have forgotten where you stand. You have forgotten your ground, sir. Now, get out of there and let others do a better job in governing Singapore and listen to its citizens' cries. Your post as MM, the post held by GCT as SM are not necessary. We are a small country, why so many extra posts?? In fact, the President is only a picture, he cannot say anything. My baby nephews and nieces have more words to speak than our President! :angry:
  • J Moe - Everlasting leaders & highly paid
    What we known on the defamation suit was Dr Chee and SDP fellows brought up the truth color of Singapore everlasting leaders and their salary highly paid.

    And we also learn to know about leak of media responsibility on the defamation suit and following suits of Mr. Gopalan Nair.

    Local media does not demonstrate a role for the belief that media have a basic responsibility to help strengthen and support democratic system of government. Although this is a subjective concept, hard to define, arguments should shows on the newspapers, television, radio, and perhaps types of Internet communication to act as a government watchdog, as a gatekeeper and instrument to disseminate necessary information, as a reflection of cultural interests and trends of Singapore.
  • Peter Thomson
    SDP indeed stands for SINGAPORE DESPARATE PARTY 2008.

    I think you had acheived your mission of your paymaster to embarrase Singapore Founding Father.

    But, right within each Singaporean son, you are a coward, useless opposition.
  • ks - Insecurity
    Surely, our MM showed his insecurity and lack of confident. Each Singaporean son know that MM and PM only showed confident when they are guided by many of their grassroots people or well planned dialogue session. The Open Court is a different environment.
    Many years ago, the TV debate between JBJ, Francis S and our leaders was a memorable one, and each Singaporean son was surprised with our leaders poor debate skills .
  • AnnA - To Peter Thomson
    In the first place, why are you here in the 'useless opposition webpage'?
    Is it because you also need to find out about the truth? Or you might have not read any article at all at?

    Who says the LKY is the founding father of Singapore? Do you know the original name of Singapore? Do you see the bagde or seal of Singapore and the National Anthem of Singapore? If you don't, let me tell you. The name is SINGAPURA. National anthem is MAJULAH SINGAPURA (Forward/Strive Singapura). Before Singapura, it was TEMASEK. Singapore already an 'established' country way before LKY become the govt.lah. We already have rules and regulations way before he took over your family and my family. We have rights then but not now. We were already more 'MAJU' from other asian country way before LKY took reign.

    Malas nak argue dengan orang yang biarkan keluarga sendiri kena tekan.
  • g_e - Last refuge of a charlatan
    Well, I've said it before and I'll say it again - thank the Lord for the coming of the Internet. Now there is nowhere to run, nowhere to hide deceitful and reckless behaviour, no way to cover up shoddy governance with a welter of platitudes from a servile, fawning, controlled media.

    Once, we believed what we were told in the newspapers and TV, now we download the courtroom audio and hear for ourselves that the great man has, indeed, feet of clay. We read blog after blog rip apart and mock the incompetence and outright duplicity of his Minister for Home Affairs. We note the search for the guilty and the punishment of the helpless while avoiding responsibility. We see proof that his son has no substance, no political charisma, no leadership quality. We discover that dirty tricks are the only reason his party has managed to remain in power for so long. Above all, Singaporeans now know that the emperor truly has no clothes.

    Despite his intellect, MM Lee chooses to remain in denial of this remarkable development. Perhaps he spends his waking hours pacing the floor feverishly, wondering how to keep this recalcitrant child of the 21st century under some kind of control whilst still remaining a relevant 1st world nation.

    It's not a good time to choose a career as a tyrant when you are the elected representative of a government of the people, just ask Mugabe.
  • truthseeker - History as a Presentist concept
    In my thesis research on the origination of the name Singapore, there were several versions. One was singgah -pura or singgah means stopover, pura means port of call. The other was of course the propanganda version of Lion City or Singa (lion) pura (port or city). Note that lions are never found in this part of the world! Thirdly, temasek is not selected as it is not grandiose laden - it means water holding!

    Another interesting fact was the then Minister of Culture S Rajaratnam was quoted as sayihng (it is obviously poilitical manipulation here) that the govt of his time where LKY was the PM felt that to avoid a racist founder in the name of Sang Nila Utama, his ministry or rathere the Old Guards chose Raffles as an exogenous founder of Singapore to clearly delineate the cut-off historical reference of 1819 as the starting point. Subsequently, all secondary schools history books have, till today, a clearly chop-out phases of Singapore's history:

    1819 to 1941: British Administration
    1942-1945: Japanese Occupation
    1962-65: Singapore under Malaya
    9 Aug 1965: Republic
    1970s: A period of British milltary pull-out and early phase of industralisation.

    From the above clear delineation of historical phases, which is symptomatic of its political elites to label and define what they think it should be defined, we can see that the sell-government phase of Lim Yew Hock, David Marshall, Lim Chin Siong were hardly mentioned of if they do, are cursorily treated.

    So we can save our children's and adults now were fed with a presentist concept of history which makes history relevant only to the present needs of economic and political imperatives, serving the powers-that-might-be to engender a righteous view of history and to where Singapore is today. Let facts speak for themselves that history truths especially in school textbooks are always self-serving. A fine example is the Japanese heavy censorship of its role in the World Wars even to the point of saying she was never guilty of any atrocities!
  • truth - LKY sucks, LKY is repulsive
    LKY sucks.
    LKY is repulsive.
    Pack him up and send him to the dustbin of history.
  • Low Kan Tong - The London de-classified documents
    People in the streets, friends and relatives are now anxious to read the de-classified documents.

    Sinkapore true History is connected to the present !

    I am as curious to find my roots!

    [color=red]I hope Dr Chee could advise the readers where to read these documents or where can we voters find these documents online ?? [/color]

    We ought to find out how we come to this stage.

    If we could get these documents, we could share among friends and send them to our MPs for their reading.

    I believe Chua Lee Hoong could write up an exclusive article about chin siong story.

    Another thing, i suspect LKY is not among the local sinkaporeans, look at the FT policy.

    The increase of ERP rates while foreign talents continue to stream in with more new citizens squeezing into this small island is a sheer madness to perpetuate the enduring power.
    So, Who is killing the sinkaporean sinkapore ?

    You see, the gomez case was an opportunity for the devils to sway uninformed votes against the Alternative parties, and they need not debate on policies.

    From this aspect, you can see how the voters re-act.
    Nevermind about the 300 billion in reserves or the HDB flats.
    Are we any better or living in debt? What will our future be for our children?

    We, our children, all the voters must know what happen to Lim Chin Siong, he was a good politician, why he was jailed and out of the politics?

    Our future would a different one had Chin Siong is our leader.

    WE reject LKY and his govt, we must find out the truth.

    Please don't embarrass us by saying LKY is founding father. May be a founder of HDB flats.
    We dont think he deserves the title of founding father. They are many founding fathers out there in sinkapore.

    You must be having a mental disorder saying SDP is coward. Did you not hear the audio clip?
    Dr Chee will be fine to take on the old Lee in any debate.
    Who is the real coward now ?
  • Ted
    Thank you Dr. Chee, more and more I see hope in Singapore.
  • V.Benedict - A litmus test
    Just a heavenly thought of a 'special offer' segment appear from our local press one saturday morning.

    It read " Special Offer Today Only - From Australian High Comm, Canada Embassy and US Embassy. Applicant who apply today do not need any requirements and fees. All successful applicants will be given a temporary Permanent Resident status. Application is limited and for first come first serves."

    Can anybody tells me what will happened next? Answer is obvious. There will be the world record breaking of having the longest queue.

    And so doing, let LKY witness the reality and truth.
  • white raven
    Chee,
    I think that yr constant repetition of how you performed against how LKY performed is running a tad monotonous. You are also blowing so much horn about it. The court session came about the same time as his wife suffering a massive hemorrhage and landing in the ICU. I daresay his mind was preoccupied with that, and I also venture to suggest that he wanted to leave early to attend to her side. Now I am not a ardent LKY apologist and I think that LKY does not deserve any sympathy either as he has been brutal and cruel and heartless in putting people away for all their adult lives and suing the pants off them. However, one must be balanced and not be like him!
  • realist
    Chee is wasting his time.

    Mr Lee's reputation cannot be diminished in such a way.

    We Singaporeans love him and thank God that we have him as our leader.
  • greyheyn
    To White Raven,

    Harry can speak for himself if he wants to and he has demonstrated that several times. If Harry really cares about his wife, he would not have left Singapore during his wife's hospital stay.
  • dlfkjj - To realist
    ya realist, we love him... haha We really love him, we mean it, we love LKY hahaha
  • Paul - An atrophied mind
    If one read LKY's early rhetoric, it would be quite reasonable to think that he had a sharp mind. My father, English educated and of LKY's generation, was a hard-core LKY fan from the early 1950s until he saw how mercilessly LKY dealt with those who disagreed with him. This streak of monstrous cruelty eventually made my father lose all respect for him and I respected my father for acknowledging his mistake in extolling LKY's ways when I was younger.

    LKY sowed the seed of destruction for the PAP the day he decided to buy the ministers with irrationally huge sums of money. They are nothing but placemen, yes-men, people of dubious quality and integrity. They have never dared to argue to him. It is only natural in such an environment that his mind has slowly atrophied and stagnated. Without allowing it to be constantly tested, it has become so blunt as to be unfit for the purpose of leading a nation. By silencing those who oppose him, he has removed the cause of his existence as a politician and has become the architect of his own demise. He has turned the knowledgeable people against him and will die unloved. No doubt there will be many who will give him a rapturous send-off when the day arrives and I will be among them.

    There are some words which he has excised from his dictionary and one of that is 'shame'. What self-respecting father would shamelessly appoint his son to succeed him as though a maths degree from Cambridge automatically qualifies him to lead a nation? That piece of paper, even though it is from a world class institution, proves nothing but that he has merely the ability to pass academic examinations. As a leader of a nation, he is a half-wit, a person of little consequence.

    It is also amazing that LKY constantly reminds us that without him Singapore would not have become prosperous. That is pure speculation and poppycock and should be treated with the contempt it deserves. Who is to say if Singapore would not have become even more prosperous today had he not been at the helm?

    I urge those who desire to live under a more compassionate government to spread the word to any who will listen. As a PAPist visitor to this website likes to say, "By and large, Singaporeans are not stupid." Take that as an encouragement to tell others what things are really like.
  • black raven - -replying white raven
    bai niao,

    mrs lee has been unwell since 2003 liao. if mr lee really care, he should retire and stay home and look after her. but mr lee still fly here and there and still whack ppl left right center during 2006 election period.

    come on lah! if he really wanted to leave the court early to see his wife, he should say so mah! the judge also won't stop him what... but he choose to keep quiet and don't tell anyone what the serious matter was and why he had to leave early.

    why u so like that? the straits times also every time blow horn mah... u go tell them to shut up lah! but they not so nice like sdp u know... wait they sue u then u know...

    hei niao (caw caw caw!)
  • unrealist - i like mr lee too
    Realist, I agree with you. I too love Mr Lee with all my heart and soul. Not a day goes by that I do not thank God that we have him as our leader. We are truly blessed!

    It is so rare that I get to meet a fellow fan on this blasphemous site, so will you please indulge me? What is it that you like best about Mr Lee? Go on, tell me! I am giggling already!

    Me first! Me first! I particularly like the majestic way Mr Lee waves his hand (it was a most kingly wave) and turns water into wine. And don't get me started on my other pet topic! Do you remember the last time he did a walkabout? He only had a few loaves of bread and some fish then, but he managed to feed the thousands of serfs on his estate. I was there you know. I was so touched I fell down on my knees crying like a new born babe. Then he touched my head and cured me of dandruff. It is true what they say. The touch of a messiah can cure all sorts of diseases.

    And by the by, I couldn't confirm it through the LKY fan club grapevine, but have you heard anything about Singapore's land reclamation project? I heard the workers managed to get the work done on time only because SOMEONE parted all the sea water off the coast of Singapore. No prizes for guessing who that someone was!

    I guess what I am trying to say is that Singapore is indebted to Mr Lee and his PAP. The next time they do a walkabout in my neighbourhood, I am going to invite them into my humble abode and wash their feet. I hope they touch me on the head again because my dandruff's acting up again. In the absence of the Chosen One, the touch from a duly constituted authority figure will do as well.

    Yours Sincerely,
    Unrealist
  • Norman - re:
    [quote=realist]...thank God that we have him as our leader.[/quote]
    The Devil must be so jealous when you give credit to God for what the Devil has done.
  • hkmp5
    Singapore Political History
    http://singapore-democracy.blogspot.com/
  • AnnA - To white raven & realist
    To white raven, is raven a family of crow? an crows does eat carcasses, you know..? How can you blame a normal person for the court schedule?? Even your uncle lee didn't ask for postponement.. wah lau ey.. Ask him why he must attend the meeting and ranting about opposition way before election year? Ask him why not just worry about the PM's mother?! :dry:

    To realist, right now you seems ok. Later on, when your children grow up and that Lee is still in charge (God Forbid!!).. it will be too late. I think you can never even smell your CPF money at all... they slowly change policy until the day when they will totally get hold of it. By then you kena siong siong... Oi! we don't want that to happen... better stop now lah.. still blind is it?? :whistle:
  • white raven
    To greyheyn

    For all you know, even if he didnt care about his wife, LKY may be still so arrogant that he simply refused to engage with Chee. Exactly, he could speak for himself. C'mon, why should he account to you mere mortals? To me, he could be just trying to ignore Chee and pretend he wasnt around! Haha! What I'm saying here is that this audio recording showing how unsmart he was under Chee's clever probing has run on the same groove for too long. So quit patting yrself on the back! Chee has broken some myth...maybe. There's plenty of work ahead to demolish the PAP. Let's not start celebrating.
  • gary teoh
    What founding father ? all the founding fathers already dead by now !!!
  • CHUA CHUAN SEAH - Lee Kuan Yew's "Communists"
    Lee Kuan Yew has had, in the past, publicly accused and alleged that many of his political opponents (as well as some intellectuals and professionals who were critical of him)were "communists". But Lee has never proven all his accusations publicly in a Court of Law. As a result, all his political detainees were incarcerated in prisons without trial, some for short periods and some for many, many years. They were not supposed to be released until they confessed that they were "communists". But Lee Kuan Yew often faced credibility problems and ran out of excuses for continuously confining his detainees in prisons. So eventually, he had to release them without insisting that they confessed to being "communists". So, who is really a "communist"?

    Mr Said Zahari's detention is a case in point. In his two autobiographical books, "Dark Clouds At Dawn: A Political Memoir" (2001) and "The Long Nightmatre: My 17 Years as a Political Prisoner" (2007), Said Zahari described his life-history and his arrest and detention without trial under the ISA in Singapore by Lee Kuan Yew in Operation Coldstore in 1963.
    Said Zahari, the former editor-in-chief of the Malay-language daily Utusan Melayu, is now a Permanent Resident of Malaysia but he is still a Singapore citizen. Publicly, and in his two above-mentioned books, Said Zahari has never admitted to being a "communist". So do many of his fellow political detainees who were arrested and detained without trial as "communists".

    Does mere association and acquaintance -- not to mention friendship -- with prominent Communist Party of Malaya (CPM) leaders prove that they were "communists"? By this yardstick, many of Lee's political detainees were indeed "communists"! But how would that yardstick stand under critical and rigorous scrutiny in a Court of Law? Since these alleged "communists" were never brought to trial, we will never know for sure whether or not they were indeed "communists".

    Incidentally, Said Zahari eventually met, in 1999 (many years after his release from prison in 1979), the Secretary General of the Communist Party of Malaya, Chin Peng. They became friends. Does that prove, finally, under Lee Kuan Yew's yardstick of guilt by association, acquaintance and friendship, that Said Zahari is a "communist" after all? (Or was Said Zahari, as is more likely, given his own autobiographical revelations and from public records and witnesses, just a prominent member of the left-wing democratic movement in Singapore at that time--who admittedly was attracted to the mass activities of anti-colonial radical and progressive politics?

    What about other yardsticks? Is involvement in "subversive" activities a proof that those involved were "communists"? But these alleged "subversive" activities by detainees in the early 1960s were in fact anti-colionial activities by nationalists, who were deliberately implicated by the pro-colonial regime of Lee Kuan Yew with the Communist Party of Malaya and its armed struggle. As Said Zahari said in "Dark Clouds At Dawn", Lee Kuan Yew "relished using the communist bogey to fight his political opponents in those years."

    Incidentally, Lee Kuan Yew had to look for a new "ghost" as an excuse to arrest and detain his political opponents and other dissidents and critics in the late 1980s during the arrest and detention of a group of so-called "Marxist conspirtors". So much for "subversive" activities by alleged "communists" (or "Marxist conspirators")!

    There is a lesson to be learnt from all those arrests and detentions in years gone by for all Lee's critics, dissidents and political opponents: Lee is always coming up with, and looking for, "ghosts" to justify his autocratic and authoritarian subjugation of his enemies.
  • Anonymous
    Taking the detention of those Catholic social workers in the 80s, with the excuse of "marxist conspiracy" behind them, as the model for the detention of Lim Chin Siong and company, we can see how possibly flimsy had been the claim.

    This should add to the reassessment of history which the 'declassified documents' in London have constrained reputable historians to have made, contradicting LKY's own story of how he saved us from the doomsday of communist insurgency.

    No wonder some of those inprisoned with Lim Chin Siong had with him chosen to remain in jail, rather than make false TV confessions of their involvement in Communism and unconstitutional overthrow of government (confessions which were Lee's condition for their release). They were men of steel and had the integrity not to lie to the people they meant to serve.

    By the way, before people again point to all the pragmatic achievements of Lee, we should remember, say with regard to public housing, that Queenstown, the Kallang Airport HDB complex and Redhill were already there when the PAP came in in 1959. They were begaun under David Marshall as Chief Minister. And those had their roots in the Singapore Improvement Trust set up by the British, of which Tiong Bahru remains to this day the icon.
  • SDP
    Low Kan Tong: I hope Dr Chee could advise the readers where to read these documents or where can we voters find these documents online ??

    SDP: Please click on Perspective - Special Feature and see article "Lim Chin Siong vs Lee Kuan Yew."

    As far as we know, the documents are not available on the Internet. You may want to contact Professor T N Harper who is the author of a chapter in "Comet In Our Sky" a book about Lim Chin Siong tnh1000@cus.cam.ac.uk
    http://www.hist.cam.ac.uk/academic_staff/further_details/harper.html
  • Anonymous
    The bogey of "black operations" was also used by LKY to close down three english language newapapers, the Singapore Herald, the Eastern Sun and, I remember, the Singapore Monitor.

    At least one editor said the real reason was that his paper refused to take orders from the prime minister's office.

    But LKY alleged foreign "black operations" being behind them. Yet, I was too innocent then to wonder how it could be that all at the same time, there could have been such diverse foreign attempts to interfere adversely in our internal affairs. There was the alleged communist funding of the Eastern Sun from HK, the part ownership of the Herald by a Stevens Ningkan of Sabah, and what not.

    Suddenly, all sorts of alleged "operations" in order to justify an identical objective - press closure.

    So I tend to believe with that editor as to the real reason for the closure!

    It was probably the same LKY style at doing away with Lim Chin Siong and company, and the Catholic social workers!
  • Pragmatist - Clear your name first
    Most of us are sceptical of what Dr Chee had written about his claim. Since LKY had challenged Dr Chee many times to sue for calling him names of liar and cheat, I strongly urge Dr. Chee to take up the cudgel so that all of us can see what he claim is true; otherwise it is very difficult to accept what Dr. Chee had written and claimed. Dr. Chee should clear his name once and for all for us to believe him and sue as a plaintiff and can x-examine the defendant LKY to expose all his claims over all these years. Let the readers of this forum decide who is a real liar and cheat to vote in the next elections. Please prove yourself and clear your name once and for all to be a credible opposition leader; otherwise it is hard for anyone to believe you even if you are telling the truth with such a label hanging around your neck.
  • Anonymous
    Pragmatist should first learn the first rule of logic, in order to effect his pragmatism.

    When issues are raised, address them. Don't attack the person, to side track from an argument you can't answer.

    They call this the "ad hominem fallacy" in logic textbooks.
  • qizhi - revealing read
    the reportings of the prejudiced media and actual proceedings - my, what a stark contrast indeed! thank you for the revealing read
  • Anonymous - God? YOUR God's a Dog???
    [quote]realist - Sun, 29 Jun 2008 7:03 am

    Chee is wasting his time.

    Mr Lee's reputation cannot be diminished in such a way.

    We Singaporeans love him and thank God that we have him as our leader. [/quote]


    So please tell us WHICH GOD YOU SUBSCRIBE TO, TO WHOM YOU ARE SO GRATEFUL OR HAVING HARRY LEE KUAN YEW - that other 'god', God of No Mercy?
  • ac
    Clear & concise article Dr. Chee.. but I hope SDP have also set its gears in motion for the elections (If it hadn't already). That's something I believe many Singaporeans are counting you on!
  • tunkudon
    DPM+DPM+SM+MM=PM . 1 little red dot. i think anyone can do good job
  • Anonymous
    [quote]ks - Insecurity Sun, 29 Jun 2008 3:20 am

    Surely, our MM showed his insecurity and lack of confident. Each Singaporean son know that MM and PM only showed confident when they are guided by many of their grassroots people or well planned dialogue session. The Open Court is a different environment.
    [size=medium]Many years ago, the TV debate between JBJ, Francis S and our leaders was a memorable one,[/size] and each Singaporean son was surprised with our leaders poor debate skills .
    [/quote]


    Memorable indeed. And an eye-opener.

    I was in my growing up days, formative years. Prior decade of indoctrination had imbued in us that our government was a good and honest one, unlike other regimes all aorund us as would be put out ever so often in the local media - death to Lim Kim San (let him die once more! For complicity in 'murdering' Singaporeans, for his role in ISD!!!)

    My adult education - no lah, not porno lah, aiyo - began there.

    Merdeka!!... Oops, so copycat like LKY, sorry, sorry, erm, Zhonghua Renmin Gongheguo - his passport says so, yes? - wansui!
  • Change Alley - Where do we go from here?
    Time to shift audience - yes, CHANGE the audience.

    Singaporeans - those in Singapore anyway - will never get to see what Juan has done, is doing and will be doing. And Singaporeans, being the visual creatures that they are, must have the chance to see - and hopefully feel what you are doing in order to be.. moved, prodded into moving.

    International media reports of what SDP has been doing for our democracy is well and good - the world (but Singapore) is informed, gets to see - BUT THE REAL CHANGE MUST COME FROM WITHIN.

    From us. Each and every one of us.

    No more "I'm not capable enough", "I'm not qualified enough" or the worst "Not my problem" or "Nothing to do with me".

    To even get close to having a chance of being SEEN by Singaporeans - discount the local media - the occasion must CHANGE.

    Go for NDP (maximum expour - live event, meida can't 'run away' because live spectators in the thousands will be there), go for F1 (better, international exposure - lagi tak boleh chabot).

    Of course those PAPpies will say,"Unpatriotic" etc, lah, but don't be put off by these. For WHOSE National Day is Aug 9, honestly?

    My grandfathers, father, uncles, those who came before us, certainly didn't go to the ballot box to cast THEIR say in a referendum before this man UNILATERALLY took us to 'independence', at his own whim and fancy, his megalomania dictating hat he should rule and rule alone! Without careful thought of consequences of a land without ability to feed itself, even have sufficient sources to drink from.


    We were only fortunate it was the Cold War, we had backers (HIS BACKERS), that China was not in the capitalism game yet.

    But now we are feeling the effects - they of corse don't care since they've made their billions over the 43 years to have stashed away in Swiss secrecy.

    You have a good cause, Juan. A just and justifiable one - which is why you are over and above them, why you could persist and persisted to this day and will go on to from now.

    So let's go out and achieve maximum 'returns' the next time we hold demos, protests.

    Go for high-profile, Singaporeans-viewable events. Go for NDP 08 (if it's not going to be canceled due to possible funeral, as many have predicted), go for F1, even Oct 4 (Hakka Festival) - let them call us 'unpatriotic', 'traitors', their name-calling, propaganda no longer works, not onger gels with all Singaporeans.

    Let's go for broke - I can, so can you, my fellow countrymen and women (I will cease using 'Singaporeans' from now in future posts, as we are fellow compatriots, whatever the name we want to give to OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND).
  • Anonymous
    Dear Juan,

    I think in that court were people ho were more taken aback than you or Chin or Ravi.

    I bet his 'performance' - did someone forget to give hime his dose of political 'Viagra' that morning? - must've shell-shocked Belinda, the few court officials and police escort/bodyguards (with those stupid-looking RayBans).

    Most of all, David Singh - who must have thought the Lees could hold their own, being the Goliaths they are and since they were in their own Imperial Court of Singapore.

    Noticed how he had at first not responded as quickly (as the latter part) to jump up to defend his Woof Woof Wolfmaster? He must've been stumped too!

    Poor David. For a few lousy millions more for work those few days, he must be getting pretty lots of earfuls from the Old Wolf-Fox-Dog Family ever since.
  • Anonymous - Heroes and True Sons of Singapore
    [quote]We, our children, all the voters must know what happen to Lim Chin Siong, he was a good politician, why he was jailed and out of the politics?[/quote]

    Let's not forget too a certain Chia Tye Poh. Died not too long ago, aged 52 (?).

    52! Prime age for a man, family, grown-up kids, maybe successful career, global businessman. Alas not to be, for this man.

    Locked up at? The tender age of 26.

    26!!! Others would just only be starting out career, having just graduated and so on.

    Thrown into prison at 26, keys as good as thrown away into the sea being banished to outlying island.

    For a good 26 years too!!!

    Came out only "on humanitarian grounds" - perhaps guilt-riven Fox consulted his Taiwanese astrologer (as he always does, according to insider knowledge) again, released him to do merit, to ward off evils and avert catastrophe that year.

    Barely got the chance to see daying father on death bed... that's being unfilial in Chinese beliefs.

    Imagine if Tunku had locked up the Singapore negotiating team that fateful night in 1965, put him away for a good 26 years too - missing his mother's funeral in 1981 - how would he feel, that inhumane thing?

    And after all these and these, Chia left this world. At the 'ripe old' age of 52 - people become PMs of nations at that age!!!!!!!! - having spent HALF HIS LIFE IN NO MAN'S LAND!!!!!

    Justice oh justice, where hath thou goneth to?
  • Anonymous - Objection, objection, objection!
    [quote] Hsien Loong was altogether different. He kept his eye firmly on his lawyer and relied heavily on counsel's objections to avoid any engagement (see here).[/quote]

    What was Dave Singhapore objecting to anyway?

    Your questions and questioning? Or your very presence in court? Your xistence itself???

    Or perhaps objecting the fact that Bel Bel was sitting up there and not seemingly able to do anything about you?

    I can hear someone shouting "Objection, objection..." from out of the Palace, near where I am now in my hotel, heehee.
  • Paul Poh
    So when is Lee Kuan Yew going to die?

    I want Lee Kuan Yew to die.

    Singapore will benefit.

    I am sick of Lee Kuan Yew's propaganda.
  • RC Chairman-cum-RC Cola Chairm
    [quote]all the GRC Kings, RCs are giving thier comments in favour of Papa Lee and Son- must be getting hefty bonuses for FY07/08.[/quote]

    Eh please lah, don't be like this leh. Must understand mah. Without RCs like ours har, rich people in my constituency who are after all the less busy ones who can afford to join RC activities and who are looking to freeload further acn never have the chance to go on subsiized trips to Malaysia for hoh-kangs and lobangs like our [size=medium]Eat-All-You-Want-Durians-At-Just-$1 or our Sharksfin, Abalone plus Maguro Toro & Matsuzaki Kobe Beef Dai-houdai National Day Rally dinners, [/size]etc, etc leh.

    Please lah, tell you what, you stop demonizing my RC, I give you hoh-kang, lobang - FOC for you and SDP for the rest of the year for ANY RC activity you want to take part in.

    Don't worry, I can afford - MP just gave my contractor brother-in-law's construction company a few more precinct upgrading projects.

    SSSH, don't tell anyone hoh."
  • Lee Teng Hui
    [quote] If Harry really cares about his wife, he would not have left Singapore during his wife's hospital stay.[/quote]


    Ah lee si siao ah!! Are you crazy? You sin kah po-jin atama warui ka???

    If he didn't slip away during this time - when A-Choo is resting in peace quietly and couldn't therefore raise a ruckus - when and how would he ever find time to 'service' his Taiwanese mistress!!?

    Have pity on my Hakka half-brother lah, please. Married and clung on to (for every overseas trip) for the last 60 years plus, you think ought he not have a little fun once in a while??

    If not, how to test the veracity of the viagras, levitras and cialises those pharmacos keep throwing at him for free every week???

    Men must enjoy life sometimes, especially filthy rich ones like us. Unlike his wife, my missus even tacitly gives approvals for my jaunts to Hwa Si Street every now and then, also okays my visits to Sakurada Sakurako, my long-time mistress in Kyoto.

    So, pai tok, pai tok, be humane, please understand his plight, ok? Arigato.
  • patriot
    To greyheyn,

    This shows how selfish you are and care only for your self interest. All of us will sink with u.
  • Ah Beng 81
    Dear Dr Chee,

    Thanks for this article.

    May I suggest to SDP to learn some tips from the Obama campaign?

    They using YouTube to reach out to the masses to great effect.

    PAP can ban Podcast but they can't possibly ban YouTube right? I think SDP should post all of Dr Chee's speeches on YouTube. I've witnessed Dr Chee in person. He can win any PAP politician in an open debate for policy.

    Don't lag behind man. Now PAP using FaceBook also.

    Your Humbly,
    Chao Ah Beng
  • Harry Chua
    I think highly of LKY until now for only one thing, graduating with Double Starred First Class honors
  • AnnA - Anonymous - That Is So Sad
    Whenever I read about those people who were taken into detention and locked up for so many damn years, I felt truly sad for them. Having to imagine myself or my loved ones be in there.. makes me want to cry. I would normally try to avoid imagining how it was like but I've always failed to do so. The sorrow deepens.
  • Anonymous - To Moderator
    Why have you stopped releasing or publishing our comments?

    Are you in some kind of trouble? Has the Internet police been haranguing you ever since they discovered the ever-increasing number of hits you've been getting?

    Please be truthful, tell us now, if we should also stop sending comments to your website. Thank you.

    PS - You are not going to comprise, wilt under pressure, and release whatever you have to LKY so he has the means to track us all down, are you? We are not being compromised, are we?
  • Tan Victor
    White Raven,

    I do agreed with you LKY is preoccupied by his wife's hospitalisation, therefore may be troubled, slow in replying you. She is his Tower of Strength for decades. I think your purpose of doing so in Court is to show your Overseas Paymaster what you can do to embarrase Singaporean founding father. In fact, YOU HAVE REPEATIBLY HURT THE HEART OF YOUR FELLOW SINGAPOREAN!, ESPECIALLY THOSE ABOVE 50'S. Dr. Chee, its high time you come clean with your objectives, and dont let those "Stupid Young followers" of yours lead to dead end. I think this show should continue with you and your sister alone, leave those youngster aside. Singaporean, by and large ARE NOT STUPID, its 100% clear that you dont represent Singaporean, but the Americans. I can guarantee you will never be ever elected, and I can be sure you are not keen to be elected either.
  • TMC
    Obviously DOG CHEE is not representating Singaporean at all. He has personal edge against LKY! I believe his Overseas paymasters are happily clapping their hands when they read SDP Web.

    DOG CHEE and DOG NAIR should come out from their foreign fund supporters, so that Singaporean could vote them in via the election.

    Or else, you would poor chaps would forever remain a FOREIGN DOGS in Singaporean Eyes!
  • curious
    quite naturally, csj has his political considerations and calculations done when he wrote this article - to deliberately discredit, undermine and throw cheap potshots (couched in high-order thinking and intellectual frameworks, no less) at the country's founding father.

    for all this rhetoric (which, just for the record, is what the SDP and their politically-entertaining - and not engaging or enlightening (though we all know how desperately the chees and their delusional followers would want us to believe that they are standing on a threshold of exposing the truths of the establishment and once and for all, being remembered as the noble political martyrs of singapore) - followers are and have been capable for since their unceremonious and unwarranted emergence in the singapore's political landscape.), csj you fail to see or internalize (you certainly have heard or read about this before) the fact that yes indeed, singaporeans want change, i want change. but sadly for you, we want change not through you and not in the nature/form that you are mindlessly advocating. simple as that.

    and for all your rebuke of the MM, you are also being sadly myopic. this is not just about you or him, as you have pseudo-nobly declared in your speech in court, but you seem to want us see tt since MM Lee is incapable of winning a debate competition against you, he is similarly unable to lead a country.

    and even if your preposterous claim about MM Lee's abilities are true, are singaporeans suppose to reject the entire PAP government and elect you - the desperate and sadly disunited SDP - just on that basis?

    you have to earn votes not just by discrediting your political foes, but also by demonstrating your said capabilities at BEING IN CHARGE OF A GOVERNMENT, and NOT AT BEING ABLE TO CHURN OUT MOVING AND SENTIMENTAL SPEECHES AND WIN A FREAKING DEBATE COMPETITION. If singaporeans, on buying into your politically-motivated essay, reject the PAP for the SDP, we are certainly throwing the baby together with the bath water.

    you have also - very sadly - glossed over the existence of institutions and intelligence which have been built up in this country. because if you recognize this, you will realize that, whether or not people vote for the PAP, or you, is not simply a matter of how impressive the elder or junior Lees are in court. it is about SDP vs. PAP. as dominant as both men are in the establishment, they are not all there is to it. institutions, culture, policies and all their consequent effects cannot be dismissed just because you sweepingly discredit the MM or PM.

    furthermore, i really find you "cut a pitiable figure" since you seem - wrongly so - that this battle is about discrediting MM Lee, and as if, upon showing this through your biased and one-sided (it inadvertently has to be so since you are the writer and let's not split and argue that you are being objective because we know both sides wont be objective to each other when they are fighting) essay, you have shown how you can be the leader of singapore in the future.

    just because they are lousy doesnt make you good, dr. chee. please remember that. and in this case, they are not even lousy to begin with - let me reiterate: voters are not bothered whether or not our leaders can win a psychopath during a cross examination, we are concerned with whether or not our leaders can LEAD A COUNTRY. sure, part of being able to lead a country is to be able to be articulate and be intellectually wealthy. but the intellectual capacity of both Lees, i think, is really a non-issue. academic credentials (which would have weighed yours infinitely down already) aside, their professional (and political) achievements are for all to see.

    and your accomplishments, on the other hand, seem to be an invisible reality that really requires tonnes of imagination and self-imposed beliefs. i am sorry i am unable to see it, neither is the majority of rationale and sound-thinking singaporeans.

    personally, i am displeased at how you are speaking about the MM. you show nothing of the respect that this man, for all the possible flaw that he might have (and lets not kid ourselves, we have never believed he is a perfect man, even if tt was the intention of the media. everyone has his shortcomings, and i dun think dr. chee should overly concern himself with whether or not normal singaporeans can realise that. we are not so stupid, dr chee.), deserves.

    his contributions to the nation, pluses and minuses, is undoubtedly a net plus. you have shown nothing of the generosity of heart and spirit you attempted to show in courts through this disparaging essay of yours. if you hate the man, show it. it is not a sin to hate him, and it is understandable since you are political opponents. but if you hate him, but yet still attempt to fool us and show a very angelic and magnanimous side of yourself just to get sympathy and support, than, dr. chee your tactics disgust me.

    i await to be robustly corrected, as we, the ones with a differing point of view, often do on this site filled with people who just wants to be reinforced and feed off one another's destructive - as opposed to constructive - angst, whine, resentment and senseless grouses.

    NOTE: IF THIS COMMENT IS NOT PUBLISHED, I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND WHY. BUT I WILL DEFINITELY MAKE IT A POINT TO LET THE ONLINE NETIZENS KNOW THAT YOU DID NOT PUBLISH THIS COMMENT OF MINE IF YOU DO NOT. I WILL RESPECT YOU GUYS A TAD MORE IF YOU AT LEAST SHOW THAT YOU ARE GENUINE ABOUT WHAT YOU GUYS CALL "FREEDOM OF SPEECH". CRITICISMS, ACCORDING TO YOU GUYS, ARE INEVITABLE AND GOOD FOR DEMOCRACY AND THE COUNTRY'S DEVELOPMENT. PLEASE PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH. THANKS.
  • Anonymous
    "Curious" would do more reasonably had he joined in the debate on those specific issues raised in this forum, rather than just go into a wild rampage.

    Now I wonder why so few had attended PAP rallies, and yet they voted for them. Issues didn't matter; just keep my flat valued and upgraded, and we'll ignore everything else, and do the done thing!
  • Used to be PAP die hard fan
    Hi curious,

    The fact that your agreement that "yes indeed, singaporeans want change, i want change" is true and well said.

    Yes, people of Singapore wanted opposition not blindly to oppose. The PAP government is fast becoming a dictator and certainly losing touch with the ground. I believed they must have read opposition forum like this and have decided to set up a face book to counter.

    Try sending feedback to the Today Paper and Straits Times and your essay will be either ban or disallowed. I have gave up reading the Strait Times news because yes, all are singing praises for the ruling party and their policies BLINDLY.

    Yes, we all want change not because we are bored, fickle or mad. It is because the PAP government is making our life harder by the day and its greedness is getting what normal Singaporean canNOT handle.

    Based on the past history of SDP, it is very unlikely through you, Dr Chee. (sorry for the honesty). However, I saluate the moderator for publishing as this curious stated that "WILL RESPECT YOU GUYS A TAD MORE IF YOU AT LEAST SHOW THAT YOU ARE GENUINE" about freedom of speech.

    I hope I will live to see more opposition in Parliment. Yes, I am seeing Local Born Singaporean is soon becoming Extinct.

    In the past, the ballot box is sealed with the signature of the contenders but the last GE did not see it happen. What worry me is the integrity of the ballot box. The ballot boxes opened at the counting centre are they the same as the one use for voters to drop their votes?

    Who could ensure that? If the ballot box is replaced, let me tell you there will be zero chance of having enough oppositions as MP in many many years to come!
  • Mike - CSJ idol
    CSJ is thinking and thinking about MM Lee all the time...

    And analysing and pondering about MM Lee every moment.. in the bathroom, in the bedroom, in the sitting room, in dreams..

    Why does CSJ do that?

    Don't people realise the reason?

    It is because MM Lee is actually CSJ's GREATEST IDOL.

    'Can't get you off my mind' kind of obession.
  • bla
    Mr Lee Sr, for all his faults, still seems capable of original sentient thought, even if all he can think of is foreign investors instead of us.

    Which is more than I can say for Mr Lee Jr.
  • To curious
    [quote]personally, i am displeased at how you are speaking about the MM. you show nothing of the respect that this man, for all the possible flaw that he might have [/quote]

    I guess you are the carpet that everyone steps on and you would never complain. CSJ is put into this situation by MM. If you have forgotten, MM filed the suit. I though CSJ was quite mild as he had to show that MM's integrity is overstated so as to reduce the claim.

    Like you, I didn't know CSJ and had no much respect for him before but I though he did well this time round.
  • To Mike
    [quote]It is because MM Lee is actually CSJ's GREATEST IDOL.

    'Can't get you off my mind' kind of obession.[/quote]

    CSJ must be your GREATEST IDOL. You think and write so much about him.
  • kangtau lai lo
    CSJ has described the old man is not up to the mark during the questioning in court. He must be weak and feeble now. CSJ should sue the old man in court as he has challenged CSJ many times to do so. If what CSJ described is the accurate happening in court, I am sure CSJ can win the suit hand down. Sue when the opponent is weak and feeble. Don't waste time and you will be vindicated. All of us are behind you to win when the opponent is weak. Cheers!
  • Supporter
    I always laugh when I think of our situation. As the CEO who is supposed to make tough decision, why would you want to spent so much money on obsolete (everyone know you are not that sharp as you grow old)employees and it does not make business sense, unless you give too hoots about cost or have obligations to honour. To appoint some to supervise and mentor you undermining his own credibility as the CEO. I guess if a CEO does that he comes across a lame duck and people will never recognise him a great leader . He needs someone to cover his ass all the time.
  • curious - to truthseeker
    perhaps it will soothe your academically outraged mind to be reminded (i am assuming you have heard about this before, since you certainly portray yourself as a very intellectual being given that you actually did a "thesis research on the origination of the name Singapore". wow) that history, both as a academic domain, as well as a political tool, is always written in the image of the victorious. history is often, if not always, the story of the victorious. how can it not be expected to be, when only those who have survived a war can speak of it, as those who have fallen are simply muted by default?

    please do not use this as a point to complain about the government. it is simply naive and irrelevant because every government in the world uses and presents history in a way that serves immediate pressing needs, be they economic or social.

    in any case, there is no reason to despair: if despite the apparent hiding of truth and manipulation of history, intellectually capable people like yourself are able to, in a mere "thesis research on the origination of the name Singapore", uncover the truths behind the facade, than well, i dont think the spore government is doing too extreme and complete a job in manipulating history.

    perhaps the specifics and deepest, and often darkest, truths of history are really an exclusive sphere intended only for the intellectually curious and capable - like yourself. layman like me just need to be spoon fed with one that will satisfy the needs of a common national heritage and historical awareness to begin the process of building and initiating patriotism in a country chiefly formed by circumstances and not choice, made up of people of an immigrant stock and hardly rooted or indigenous.

    all the best with your thesis research, i hope you aced it and received a doctorate or something along those lines to reflect your impeccably logically and brilliant mind.
  • A.Chia
    Tan Victor and Curious mentioned that LKY is the founding father of Singapore. Sigh... to me he is just too hungry for power and recognition. One who is so scare to lose power is very insecure and indeed he is very I suppose. I would want to remind all Singaporeans that LKY is not the founding father of Singapore in my own opinion. This is what he and his party leaders have played up and came up with in order to "self-exalt" LKY, in my opinion. Don't forget, there are so many other PAP old guards who stood side by side with LKY to fight together with him through thick and thin and to build Singapore up in those early and very difficult years. Some of which are Goh Keng Swee, Rajaratname, etc. Many of us forgot about them simply beos they retired from politics in the 80s. Without other big men and without so many Singaporean forefathers who are hardoworking, sincere, all trusting and self sacrificial, would Singapore be at where it is today? So please stop this refrain that LKY is the founding father. I can't help it but feels that it just sounds like a broken record keep repeating itself. How can a nation's success be attributed so disproportionately to a single man alone. This is definitely unjustified. I am born in the 70s but this doesn't mean I am not aware of what actually happened in history even from as early as in the 1950s. Verify history with history written by different nations about ASEAN and compare and make your own judgement. I wonder...why is there no single political subject in the primary, secondary, pre-U institutions. even if there is social studies or subjects like history, the part on the history of Singapore's political past has not been a tinge mentioned. When we criticise other nations for not reflecting truths in their textbooks, first look at ourselves first.
  • A.Chia - to curious
    I think to use the word psychopath in your thread to refer to Chee, it just shows that you are one who simply label others and character assasinate a person's personhood. As how you have dechipher Chee's writings in saying how he tries to discredit Chee, I wonder if you use the same yardstick to measure LKY, those journalist who reported inaccuracies upon inaccuracies. If Chee is a psychopath, then what makes LKY become? one who without basis alleged a fellow Singaporean as a liar and a cheat? I think this is not for him to judge and to make a public declaration. At least I believe to many Singaporeas this is so. By LKY making such allegations, what does it make it? I wouldn't want to pass any label. Famous and top notch psychotherapist, Anthony Yeo of Counselling and Care Centre had written a letter to the journalist who wrote on the ST labelling Chee as a psychopath. In his letter, he strongly critcised the journalist's professionalism.

    http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/06/character-assassination-of-the-most-uncharitable-kind/#more-844

    Anthony Yeo said in his letter "It appears to be an unwarranted scathing attempt at character assassination of the most uncharitable kind.

    This attack culminated in your amateurish attempt at offering a diagnosis of his personality that is flawed in all ways as a diagnosis of personality disorder requires a fuller expose of that which constitutes a disorder.

    MM Lee Kuan Yew decided to engage in such denigration of Chee Soon Juan on more than one occasion. His name calling of him as being a psychopath reflects his ignorance as to what a psychopath is.

    In any case, such labelling with psychological nomenclature merely exposes his truncated understanding of what a psychopath is, of which Chee does not in any way qualify."


    of course, it is up to you to analyse and decide in your own opinion whether Chee is of sound mind or unsound mind.
  • A.Chia - LKY unjust practices outweighs All his contributio
    [quote]his (LKY) contributions to the nation, pluses and minuses, is undoubtedly a net plus[/quote]

    [quote]you (Chee) have shown nothing of the generosity of heart[/quote]

    His contributions have already been struck out totally by his ruthlessness, the way he dealt with and deals with his political opponents since the 60s until up to today. It takes such ruthlessness to have brought him to where he is sitting at today. But such is paid with the price of many innocent ones who had been detained (for decades), jailed, bankrupted, exiled.

    The many ways he used during elections to pressure the mid ground voters, like the upgrading carrot, is absolutley out of concern for Singaporeans. These are MND budgets, national funds. and residents in opposition wards can't get the same public service as residents from PAP wards. This is abuse in its truest form. Not to mention other tactics. And also how come there are so many Singaporeans fighting for bread and butter issues while the ministers enjoying such ernomous payout?

    sadly to say, his ruthless and unjust practices over such a longtitudinal period of time, in my personal opinion, had outweighed all his contributions.

    Much has been debated and shared and I believe many stories in history have been told too. It is of course for us to decide what we want to believe in with our very own discernment.
  • Lai CF - Still ranting?
    Why continue ranting Chee Soon Juan?

    Can't you move on and establish an equivalent Fabian Society in Singpaore, attracting intellectuals, social-conscious and civil-minded SIngaporeans?

    Then, you had arrived and is a serious political opponent to PAP.

    Otherwise, 90% SIngaporeans living in HDB estates still think you are a clown.

    A knife cuts both way - your opponent as well as yourself.

    What you had written here is unworthy of you in attacking a 80+ old man whose mental faculty is certain on the decline, and worse beleive in his own immortality.

    Pathetic.

    I was really to give you a mercy f**k, the benefit of doubt.....but this article, self-trumpeting your "fight" against a declining old man?

    Try to look on the other side of the coin.

    Like TT Durai refusing to answer any question, he was almost hoem free.

    Similarly, the Lees by refusing to answer any question directly to you will definitely avioding to give you the slightest advantage for you to publicise in your blog or SDP blog.

    That is the name of the game...why take risk when you are giving enough rope for your opponent to hang him or her self?

    And that is why they refused to answer your questions....as they ahd thought of the aftermath.....which was exactly what they fear.....Cyperspace.

    it si called "dmaage control"..to minimsie any collateral damage in case of any slip of tongue of the class of "mee siam mai hum"....or force to apologise to people of Johor.

    Give it a rest.

    To challenge the old man now is akin to a 20-something boxer chalenging an ageing Mohammed Ali.
  • Zara hao ( Pse use Freedom Fig - Was LKY dumb?
    I read this website everyday-- (5 am now; just got up to p like every old man ; I think LKY too;hope he can still shoot straight; I always miss target ; wowo king like LHL) like Singaporeans I am curious of what is happenning in my country of birth. I wrote encouraging and challenging your readers to donate to Chee and Gopalan, so I am not a plant and not necessary to give me a thumb down. Better put my comments in red for nuetral.

    My response is made after reading White Raven's comments.

    I agree with the comments made; Mrs Lee has been sick = widely reported; she has been LKY's best friend and supporter all the past 60 years; this will be utmost in any decent person's mind.

    Attending to Dr Chee is an irritation to LKY; even if LKY demolished CSJ he gets nothing from a babkrupt; Chee openly admitted this; Dr Vasoo was more ,lucky - he got the proceeds of the house. I think that part about asking Dr Chee to get into politics is real; LKY recognises that Dr Chee may have some talents this being a 1st time face to face encounter; LKY like talent -- all kinds; he uses foreign talents - Rajaratnam was one;Lawyer Singh suppossed to be the lastest Indian talent - but Dr Chee clearly outshone him and in the process showed LKY that CSJ is better than many of his 3rd/4th generation yes men.

    One thing for sure - LKY hates /appreciates CSJ's guts-- why not get him into Parliament within agreed parameters - to engage and spar with the younger sets; Dr Chee should be street wise to take up this challenge by officially asking LKY and other successful plaintiffs to forget the debt and agree to his discharge ; at 86 LKY would show that he is a true stateman if he agrees to discharge CSJ so that CSJ can fight to enter Parliament as advised by LKY.

    So guys remember, you may have an axe to grind with LKY or LHL but there is no doubt that over the past 60 years LKY had captivated an international audience of western politicians and media people waiting to demolish the Singaporean from Cambridge and had not succeeded so;

    Without doubt, LKY has grown old; look at your father and grandpas uncles etc; I was a young and fresh lawyer who witnessed how LKY singlehandedly changed the mood of the lunch time sell our crowd on the final day of election rally outside Fullerton Square speaking non stop for 2/3 hrs in the rain with Mrs LKY looking on at the roof top of Income Tax Building !! He wa sinm his element and tho I respect Dr Chee, Dr Chee can never come close; I was in the court room when LKY was grilled by Mortimer QC in the JBJ trial but LKY was not embarrassed in any way; from memory, his parting short to Mortimer was' -- I like to remind Counsel that outside the walls of this Court romm one has to face the realities of life!!!! The Cross examination stopped!!!!

    Consider the following historical facts - perhaps you will hate the Lees less:

    a) Suharto stole from the people ; LKY did not;
    b) Suharto's wife Madam Tien Percent ( 10 %) asks for 10% commission from investors/businessmen ; LKY and his wife did not;
    c) Suharto's and Mahatir's children and even Abdulla's son-in-law benefited from their father's position as leaders of our neighbouring countries, Lee Hsien looong, Lee Hsien Yang and Dr Lee Wei Ling did not.

    I will not continue the list but need only say that I do not like to live in Singapore as it is too restrictive and because of its pro business/ government atmosphere resulting in ease of injustice being dispensed to its citizens without recourse.

    I suffered a grave injustice perpetruated on me and had been away for 8 years but will get emotional and cry whenever I eat hainanese chicken rice or laksa or ba kut teh as this Singaporean aspect of mine can never be taken away from me.

    The Lees and others had done much for Singapore- in 1960s LKY often led trade teams to sell loca products such as Bata Shoes to far away places like Africa just to create jobs !!!-- we all know and accept this BUT most of us do not wish to be reminded again and again as I believe this is common destiny snd their justification for the subsequent ministers being paid so much.

    Also had the chance to meet Lin Chin Siong too -- real gentleman but again no fight for LKY as LCS did not have the ambition master plan and foresight of LKY to play dirty which after all is accepted as the basis of politics!!!;LKY being from Cambridge and LCS from Jalan Besar -- who will the British support???

    also if LCS had won, LKY and KGC and LHL and LHY LWL may have been made permanent residents of Pulau Hantu and there will be no Lee & Lee;only Lim & Lim doing all HDB,CPF,work.

    So Uncle's final analysis and advice to you guys -- Lee family not too bad la; they never take your land, your wife, your dog -- let you "F" them like hell and be safe; but the ISD must do something -- never catch u guys - maybe just get people to give their points BUT caught the Indian who should have stayed out of jurisdiction la -- Singapore is not USA,UK, etc

    Be like me - dun like just stay away and look after family ( coward la - children and mouths to feed la )-- left them at Sec 2/4 -- now both graduates la - meeting every week outside -- Hk, Macau, KL,anywhere -- freedom freedom freedom my friends; this is the true aim and end in life ; freedom freedom freedom again like Mel Gibson in Bravehearts.

    If you accept LKY as an Uncle , not MM you will love him more;

    FREEDOM FREEDO FREEDOM again

    Amen
  • DJW JAPAN - You are desperate
    Chee Soon Juan

    I'm afraid to say that you just don't have what it takes to compete with LKY on any level. Your performance in court smacked of desperation, with little substance to anything you said. I doubt LKY felt threatened in any real way considering what he has been through in his life. While LKY is certainly not perfect, look around the world right now---the PAP are easily one of the better governments. No political system is perfect, but this pragmatic govt, despite their faults, have done a hell of a lot more than most govts around the world. I live in Japan (I'm a Brit) and I can tell you that the Japanese govt are bloody useless, and waste taxpayer's money like no-one's business.
    Where you come into the picture has never really been clear to me. It is so easy for you or anyone else to demand "human rights" or more openness in Singapore---but how are you going to make Singaporean's lives any better on a practical, everyday level?
    You're article and your recent court theatrics smack of desparation. You may be a decent man/father/husband, but you are not "Singapore's Mandela" and you are politically very inexperienced. While I disagree with the way you have been bankrupted and jailed etc, unless you offer an extremely credible alternative in everyday life matters to Singaporeans on a practical, everyday, grassroots level, you will eventually fade away and be forgotten.
    Show Singaporeans just what practical steps you will take to decrease the braindrain, solve poverty etc and they may start to listen to you.
  • Alex Wong
    For those in the know, there is a rumour going around that the Old Man's father came from Malacca, a womaniser and was a good-for-nothing husband.

    That's why nothing much was reported about the father.

    Can someone vouch that is's true ?
  • A.Chia - Japan govt waste taxpayers' money? In my opinon, S
    I live in Singapore, not Japan, not any other country. I can feel that the singapore govt is wasting the taxes i pay. I do not need to elaborate here as many here had already written articles on how the govt make money from its citizens, tons of money, ernomous amounts of money, Singaporeans can hardly breathe. I live in Singaore the past 30 over years and I am a Singaporean so I think I can testify to that. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know how much the profit margin of one little pigeon hole HDB flat would be and the interests rolled from all the mortgages given by the HDB. Most Singaporeans can never be debt free for the most part of their lives if not the entire of their lives. To me this is worse than what is described as Japanese govt wasting taxpayers money.

    by the way, in my opinion, Chee did not show any display of wanting to be Singapore's Mandela or anything similar, I do not think he has displayed any intentions either to be wanting to be remembered by Singaporeans or people. I do see that he is fighting for a cause of justice and a fairer system where Singapore citizens can be entitled to enough platforms to speak up and share our inputs and feedback to shape decisions of national interests. This man perservere on simply because he has strong convictions and passion of a good value which has been watered down in the Singapore society over the past 4 decades and this value is justice and the upholding of justice is actually mentioned in our national pledge. In my opinion, the citizens have been treated unjustly and have been in a sense oppressed in indirect ways in a way too many for too long. Social activists and political activists are supposed to lobby for change and against unjust ways and oppression. Sadly, even the social workers in Singapore who are supposed to be involved in social activists has been muted to the utmost. The only more prominent social workers mooting and lobbying for such is probably AWARE and the rest are just interested in micro and day to day fire fighting issues, failing to see that a change at the macro level is the essential catalyst to transform change at the micro and grassroots level.
  • Anonymous - re:
    [quote=Alex Wong]For those in the know, there is a rumour going around that the Old Man's father came from Malacca, a womaniser and was a good-for-nothing husband.

    That's why nothing much was reported about the father.

    Can someone vouch that is's true ?[/quote]

    True or Not, people from his era already long gone. How to find out? Now everybody's waiting for his turn to sleep.
  • Well Done Bravo - Keep It Up Dr Chee
    [size=medium][color=red][b]"One thing for sure - LKY hates /appreciates CSJ's guts"- no one in the sleeping bloated entire cabinet can match Dr Chee's guts[/b][/color][/size]
  • jessie lui - Pramatic - how to sue?? Money Talks
    Dr Chee cannot sue as he needs leave of OA as he is a bankrupt and no OA will give leave to Chee to use LKY;
    Dr Chee cannot sue as Davinder Singh will apply to Court for Security - ie money to cover costs in the event that Chee does not succeed and Dr Chee will fail at this durder;
    Dr Chee cannot sue as he has no money to engage lawyers who are prepared to engage the Lees;
    If you and everyone wants Dr Chee to sue, raise the funds - start donating - how much have you "PRAMATIC" donated to the defence fund??
    Are you prepared to donate to the fund or any new fund for such purpose which can be jointly managed by you and Lawyer Chia??
    I may even add that if u shall decide to put your money where your mouth is, I will match u $ for $ even though I am retired.
  • 118
    Chee should spare some thoughts for his kids. Stop doing all these silly things. Or perhaps he has already planned to leave Singapore after creating all these havoc!
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